pilottim747
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Differences In Seat Pitch On Mesaba's Saab 340s

Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:22 am

Traveling on Mesaba's Saab 340s I've noticed that there is a difference in seat pitch depending on where you sit. In the front you get typical turboprop seat pitch of 30", but behind the exit row it expands to 33". I confirmed this with www.seatguru.com, although it is pretty obvious. Anyone know why this is? I've noticed it on Saab 340 As but I think on the Bs the seat pitch is the same throughout.

Today I flew a Pinnacle Saab 340, sub-leased to Mesaba. They have the same seat pitch throughout the aircraft. I think on their A versions they cramed in an extra row in than Mesaba's Saab 340 As. Is this true?

Last question...
Why do Mesaba and Pinnacle have different placement of the lavatory in their Saab 340 Bs? Mesaba has the lav. in front of the aircraft (kind of cramming the galley) but it gains an extra seat in back. They are the same model so did Saab change this or did the airline request this?

Hopefully you're still with me. I just love the Saab's (especially Mesaba's) and I get to fly them often (luckily).



Mesaba to the left, Pinnacle to the right


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RE: Differences In Seat Pitch On Mesaba's Saab 340s

Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:23 pm

Just to be clear - Mesaba operates all the saabs now in the Airlink system. Pinnacle does not sublease them to Mesaba - they're leased through a leasing company. The leases were transfered. With that said - the As and Bs were all aquired second hand from various operators including two different batches of Pinnacle saabs. The B+ models were all factory new. THis is the reason why so many configurations are flying around the system. Why are they the way they are? I have no idea - that was determind by the company when they were ordered.

The As are being retired and will be gone by the end of next year. The Bs will start to go after that and be gone by 2007. The B+ have long leases in them. But it I have a feeling NW will want the majority of them gone ASAP.


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RE: Differences In Seat Pitch On Mesaba's Saab 340s

Fri Jul 04, 2003 1:52 pm

They'll possibly be getting better seat pitch with the new FAA weights. C8 is looking towards pulling 3 seats (entire row) in our SAAB's. So i bet that Mesaba, AE, USAirways Express (which company operates the SAABs?)n and Chicago Express will all share ideas. This would drop us from 34 to 31 seats in our aircraft. Maybe this will get us a kick towards the jets! Wishful thinking maybe on my part.
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RE: Differences In Seat Pitch On Mesaba's Saab 340s

Fri Jul 04, 2003 3:54 pm

Keep in mind that Pinnacle bought straight B's and Mesaba bought B+'s, which have different configurations. The B+'s have the lavatory in the front while the A's and B's have it in the rear of the aircraft. The B's and B+'s have similar engines which are stronger than the A's. As the lav is in the rear of the A and B models, this takes up part of the cargo compartment, reducing available volume and weight capacity for cargo.
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RE: Differences In Seat Pitch On Mesaba's Saab 340s

Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:39 am

That makes sense Acidradio, that they moved the lav to give the Saab 340 more luggage room.

Also interesting with the new restrictions on weight (thanks WMUPilot). What did the FAA change? Taking out three seats doesn't sound like a small decrease in weight.

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RE: Differences In Seat Pitch On Mesaba's Saab 340s

Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:11 am

Hey, is the pink queen 27XJ still around???

Right now the fleet count of Saabs sits at about 70

50 of those are the B+ models all delivered new in the late 90's (the 400 series fleet numbers) Those are the ones on lease until like 2012 or something like that. Only a few of the A's left. XJ got a bunch of second hand Saabs from American Eagle, which are the regular B models, plus the former Express I Saabs.

For a prop, the Saabs have decent Seat pitch. I don't know if American Eagle still does it or now, but as a way to circumvent the scope clause limiting the number of Eagle ASM's, as way to reduce ASM's, Eagle blocked off the back row (Row 14 on their a/c) across the back and would not sell those seats.
 
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RE: Differences In Seat Pitch On Mesaba's Saab 340s

Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:57 pm

Yup - the pink queen 27XJ is still around. Not to mention her other A model sisters. I saw 'em yesterday trying to shine in the MSP sun. They'll all be gone soon - a sad day indeed for the pink queens. If they don't do something soon the B abd B+s will become pink queens too!!



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