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Air France Boeing 777-300

Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:24 pm

Ia Orana All !!!

I have a couple of question concerning this aircraft type...
I want to know what the seating arrangement will be... I believe it will be 12 First, 56 Business and ??? Tempo all this prior to the new First, Business and Economy cabins are introduced. Then what will it be ???
Also, I wanted to know if anyone knew what cities will the aircraft serve... Asking this because on the Tahiti news today, they announced that AF will not discontinue its PPT services yet the airline will introduce a new type of aircraft on the route... No mention of which one though, so I guess it is the 773 that should get the route then...

Anyway, waiting for your replies,

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew.

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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:28 pm

My guess concerning the equipment change to PPT is that AF will substitute the 744 with the 343. AFAIK the ETOPS restrictions were one of the reasons why TN chose the four-engined 340 over twinjets like the 777 for the long overwater fligth to LAX.

But I certainly could be wrong... I don't know how important the cargo capacity is on that route and if the ETOPS restrictions have been lifted.


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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Fri Jul 04, 2003 10:13 pm

Salut AF Cabin Crew,

Rumor has it the 777s will have 4 first class seats and an expanded business class cabin (to come up to par with that of BA etc.), like sleeper seats etc. The 777s will be the only aircraft to have 1st class. I should imagine that the 777-300 be dispatched on routes like CDG-JFK/LAX/MIA and to Asia ... again, these are just speculations.

If AF is to put the 777-300 in service in April, it should be receiving one or two this fall to allow enough time for training etc.

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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Sat Jul 05, 2003 3:41 am

If AF is to put the 777-300 in service in April, it should be receiving one or two this fall to allow enough time for training etc.

No, delivery is in April, meaning that EIS may not be sometime until May/June.
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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Sat Jul 05, 2003 4:20 am

Ia Orana All !!!

In the papers today...
AF confirms its presence in Tahiti, no withdrawal from the route, PPT is a profitable route, we do make money on it.
No change of aircraft though, what they ment last night was that AF will put its new 744 with the Ulysse cabins on the route ! The TV journalist didn't understand !
Also, They talked about the A380, saying that TAhiti was one of the possible routes to receive the aircraft. They have urged the Tahitian president of governement to modify the airport in order for the aircraft to fly to PPT.
Gaston Flosse, said that he will closely look out for the changes at PPT airport.

Happy Flying,

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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:40 am

AF flying the A380-800 to PPT?

It's not as preposterous as it sounds. Tahiti is a MASSIVELY popular destination for tourists--and well-heeled ones at that! Big grin Many entertainment industry celebrities vacation in Tahiti, along with famous athletes and upper managers at major corporations worldwide.

There are many resorts in French Polynesia within very close reach of PPT that cater to well-heeled tourists, with resorts that can cost as much as US$12,000 or more for one night's stay!  Wow!
 
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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:51 am

I thought the 773 and 380 would replace the 744s?Or just the classics?
 
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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Sat Jul 05, 2003 8:39 am

Um.. are there enough hotel rooms in Tahiti to support increased services with A380's?
 
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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:09 am

There are many resorts in French Polynesia within very close reach of PPT that cater to well-heeled tourists, with resorts that can cost as much as US$12,000 or more for one night's stay!

I'd rather buy a Concorde ticket for the cost of one night's stay...  Big grin
 
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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:38 pm

ETA Unknown,

Well, not on the main island of Tahiti itself, but there are many outlying islands within a short flight from PPT that have extremely exclusive resorts or private residences that can be rented out. These places can cost US$12,000 or more for a single night's stay, and they are the absolute height of luxury. I believe cruise lines make stops at Tahiti and/or start and end cruises at Tahiti.

Given that factor, it could support an A380-800 flight about 3 times per week.
 
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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Sat Jul 05, 2003 4:06 pm

"Um.. are there enough hotel rooms in Tahiti to support increased services with A380's?"

I think the question is is whether there are enough visitors to Tahiti to support increased svcs with A380's. I'm not sure that planes are really going to Tahiti as full these days nor have been for the past few years. Some airlines have dropped or reduced services in the past 3 years. Corsair went from 3 flights a week to 0, Hawaiian Airlines dropped from 2 to 1 per week, AOM/Air Liberte flew 4 or 5 times per week and now 0 flights. Air New Zealand used to fly 742's from LAX and now uses 767's and shares the plane with pax continuing on to Rarotonga in the Cook Islands. Air France used to have 4 during the high season (April-Sept?) and now only has 3 per week. Service all around has been dropping to Papeete.

Air Tahiti Nui has of course stepped up service, but I'm not sure how many of those flights are going out completely full. The fact that they continue to offer bargain basement airfares as low as $340 and are used by discounters offering (as low as) $540 one week packages and more 'usual' $999 one week packages, seem to denote that FP is trying to lure and or stimulate business to the islands.

As the Metropole lessens it's financial aid to the territory, FP does need to find new ways of bringing in revenue and jobs to the territory, and there is a huge building boom going on there. Bora Bora and Moorea are much more built up compared to 5 years ago. Plans to build a hotel on Tetiaroa are in the works, resorts on distant atolls and obscure islands have opened (Taha'a, Fakarava, Tikehau). But there are still more rooms than there are visitors these days.

Can anybody guess what Air France's future to Tahiti will be? It seems like ATN has (or wants to) become the dominant carrier to Tahiti from the US and France, so Im just wondering how AF is competing on the route. ATN now serves CDG, what, 6 times per week and LAX at least 12? vs. 3x per week from CDG -LAX - PPT. Since AF Cabin Boy posted that AF announced it will continue to fly to Papeete, that sounds to me like they are at least 'considering' dropping the route from time to time. I remember reading on Tahiti 1 about six months ago that there were some plans to produce a new French overseas airline that would serve the territories from France, so that there would be uninterrupted service should Air France decide to drop any routes (such as which happened with Corsair and AOM/Air Liberte).

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RE: Air France Boeing 777-300

Sun Jul 06, 2003 3:27 pm

Air NZ have added more flights though just with smaller aircraft and combined with Rarotonga, they fly I think 6x weekly from AKL now with some via RAR.

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