atcboy73
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CLE And The

Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:25 am

I have heard that the ClE hub for CAL is now almost all RJ. Is this true?

Can someone break down the hub for me and tell me how many mainline/RJ and prop flights there are?

Also if you could tell me when the banks depart and their general direction, that would be great.

Thanks guys
 
redngold
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RE: CLE And The

Mon Jul 07, 2003 10:33 am

I think it's about 60/40 RJs to mainline.

Banks are, by my best estimation:
(inbound)
9:00 A.M.
11:30 A.M.
3:30 P.M.
7:00-8:00 P.M. (mostly regionals, more mainline as you get later)

(outbound)
8:00 A.M.
11:00 A.M.
(not sure about afternoon)
7:30 P.M. (mainline)
8:30 P.M. (regionals)
10:30 P.M. (cargo heavies)

Our props go at the same time as the regionals. The props are CommutAir Beech 1900Ds. All Continental Express is served with RJs -- Embraer 135, 145, 145XR with winglets.

The other airlines seem to follow roughly the same bank schedule as CAL.


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Alpha 1
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RE: CLE And The

Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:27 am

On days of 100% flight operations-which is Monday, Thursday, Friday and, for the most part, Sunday, the outbound banks are:
-8AM, eastbound flights
-930am, westbound and southbound flights
-1130am-eastbound and southeast bound flights
-1pm-westbound and southbound flights
-330pm-eastbound and southeast bound flights
-5pm-westbound and southbound flights
-7pm-eastbound flights and southeastbound flights
-830pm-westbound and southbound flights

Within each bank, you'll find an occasional flight going in the opposition direction, like a EWR or LGA during a westbound bank, and an IAH during an eastbound bank.

And most airlines probably don't follow a schedule at CLE near CAL-they'll follow a schedule that flows into their respective hubs.

As for COEX to CO ratio, I'd say it's more like 70/30 in favor of COEX.
 
atcboy73
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RE: CLE And The

Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:59 pm

Can you guys tell me what is going on with the runways at CLE? When I look at the airport facility directory it showes three parrallels now. Its my understanding that one of those runways is going to be turned into a taxiway. Is this correct?
 
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RE: CLE And The

Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:35 pm

6/24C is going to,eventually, be just a taxiway. But with construction still going on on the two main runway, they do occasionally still use that as an active runway, and, I imagine they will until construction is finished on both runways.
 
ncflyer
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RE: CLE And The

Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:13 am

Here's what I've wondered, best I can tell, CO is the most aggressive airline at reducing its schedule on Tu, We, Saturday. What's happening with those aircraft, are they literally parked? They surely aren't repositioned to IAH or EWR? So it's more profitable for CO to have those multi-million dollar birds sitting there earning nothing? I thought WN proved quite dramatically that it's best to keep those assets moving 16 hours a day, with minimal gate time, what's different about CO's calculations? I sure would have thought that it paid to keep the airplanes moving, but I'm sure CO analyzed it to death.
 
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RE: CLE And The

Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:36 am

You don't make a move without analyzing it to death, and Bethune's team isn't the team that ran CO into the ground, who had the rep of anyalizing nothing and acting on a whim.

I can tell you, from being on the ground, that CO must feel it's costs them less money to have the planes sitting for an extran bank insteand of having the flights 50% empty on those days. Perhaps they think it ups the load factor on the remaining schedule for those days, and that makes up for that one less flight on tues/wed. Saturday has always been a reduced schedule day, has been for the 16 years I've been with CO.
 
atcboy73
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RE: CLE And The

Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:44 pm

Ya, the reductions on Tuesdays and Wednesdays surprised me also.

On, lets say a Monday, how many total departures are there out of CLE? Then how many total are there on Tuesday?
 
redngold
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RE: CLE And The

Wed Jul 09, 2003 2:07 am

Cleveland is a ghost town on Saturday. There's no evening bank to be found.

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masseybrown
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RE: CLE And The

Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:33 am

According to CAL's electronic timetable, which includes about 10 NW codeshare flights and CO Express/Connection flights, CLE has the following daily departures:
Sun 200
Mon 261
Tue 215
Wed 218
Thu 264
Fri 263
Sat 159
 
redngold
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RE: CLE And The

Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:14 am

*insert gloating*
AHA! PROVES my assertion that Thursday is the busiest day at CLE! I knew it, I knew it!
*end gloating*

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atcboy73
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RE: CLE And The

Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:38 am

WOW, Massey thanks for posting that.
 
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RE: CLE And The

Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:41 am

I think, load-wise anymore, thursdays are busier than friday. At least it seems like it.  Smile

I don't do Sundays, but I remember Sunday nights being just hell to work.  Big grin
 
ncflyer
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RE: CLE And The

Wed Jul 09, 2003 9:36 am

Terrific info, thanks.

I'm surprised Sundays are pretty light too, thought that was big day top to bottom for low yield but high load factor flights.

So my next question is, what about EWR and IAH, do they have similar day-to-day fluctuation? Is this just a CLE thing, wouldn't be surprised given that it's the #3 hub. . .
 
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RE: CLE And The

Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:59 am

For the most part, Ncflyer, it's just a CLE thing. I don't know about Saturdays-that seems to be, for the most part, a system-wide reduction day, but on tuesday and wednesdays, EWR and IAH run a tad under their normal schedule-maybe 3 to 5% below, say Thursday, but nothing major.

I think with the lowering of the landing fees, and if the industry can stabalize somewhat, I think you'll see the disparity between the "regular" schedule, and the reduced schedules, will be reduced to some degree.