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AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Thu Jul 10, 2003 11:42 pm

Does anyone know the specific location that the AeroMexico DC-9 that collided with a Cessna in 1988 crashed on the ground? I know it landed in Cerritos.

Well I live a block away from the Cerritos city limit, so I'd be curious to check out the site.
 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Thu Jul 10, 2003 11:45 pm


You might check airdisaster.com




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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Thu Jul 10, 2003 11:46 pm

Matt,

The mid-air occurred August 31, 1986. I've got the file here at work with me, complete with copies of the Times paper. I'll have it in a sec.

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Thu Jul 10, 2003 11:56 pm

OK, I got it:

Artesia Freeway (91), off at Carmenita. North across 183rd Street.

In the neighborhood on the northeast corner of the Carmenita/183rd St. intersection, the streets involved were Holmes Avenue, Ashworth Place, and Reva Place. Holmes was the main street, and where Ashworth and Reva intersected Holmes is your debris location for the DC-9.

FYI, the Piper Archer impacted near a school located a little ways away at 183rd Street and Gerritt Avenue.

When you find out what's currently at that area, I'd be curious to know. The impact area for the PanAm 727 which crashed here in 1982 is close by the airport. Some of the land upon which homes were destroyed in that crash still hasn't been redeveloped.

Tom at MSY

PS: I remember where I was when I heard about the AeroMexico crash: in my apartment in Azusa getting my lunch (it was on a Sunday)
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:03 am

Holy schidt!!!! That is only about half a mile west and about a mile north of where I live! I could only imagine what it looked like. I see the planes from Latin America (including AM M80's) fly right overhead all the time...so I'm constantly reminded of it.

Carmenita is the next exit west on the 91 from where I'm at. I live between Valley View and Carmenita.

At the time of the crash, I was just about to begin 8th grade, and was living in San Dimas.

I found out on the first day that my "homeroom" teachers (Mrs. Crosno) husband was on that plane.

Yikes.

Thanks for the info Tom.
 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 11, 2003 12:08 am

I'm looking at an overhead picture from the LA Times of the scene: the debris field is actually fairly small, the DC-9 went in almost straight down. The vast majority of neighborhood damage is at the intersection of Holmes Avenue and Reva Place (houses on the northeast corner and on the west and southwest side). Minimal damage on the southeast or northwest corners.

The school where the Piper impacted was the Cerritos Elementary School.

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 11, 2003 2:23 am

Yeah I remember that day too !

My dad worked at AMX at Tijuana at the time (the last departure point for the ill fated flight), he was working that day and I just remember him coming home all nervous and telling us that one of their flights had crashed. He had sold some tickets for the flight to a family a few days before. But he was lucky he didn't get to actually work the flight or anything like that.

The flight was actually a bit delayed waiting for a lady with a small infant, the CSR that helped her out was naturally quite affected by it.

Has the crash site been totally built over or is there some sort of memorial ?
 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 11, 2003 2:29 am

Someone who lives close to this, please let me know what is there. I'm morbidly curious.
I'm guessing there is nothing there now that would lead one to believe there had been a crash 15 years ago.
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 11, 2003 2:47 am

Hey SR117 my sister worked at TIJ (but not at AM) at the time of the accident and she told me the same thing........apparently a woman travelling with a child showed up late at the check in counter and after the flight had "closed", this particular ticketing agent pulled some strings and had the plane wait for this woman for a couple of minutes, she breezed her trough the documentation process and ran with her and her bags from the check in counter to the boarding gate, radioed for a baggage handler to be waiting for them in order to load her bags on the cargo hold (in order to save time as the plane was running late)........the story goes that when news of the accident arrived at TIJ, this CIS agent started crying and screaming blaming herself for putting that woman and her child on board and had a nervous break down because of it.

Sad story indeed.
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:00 am

Being that I unknowingly live so close to this site, I'll drive out and check it out later this afternoon, and post with a follow up tomorrow.
 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sun Jul 13, 2003 12:53 am

Matt,

Did you get a chance to check out the crash site yet?

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:08 am

Well I went out there and couldn't find anything indicative of the disaster. I guess I would be surprised if there was. Think about what that would do to property values in the area if some prospective buyers saw a sign commemorating an airplane that fell out of the sky.

So whatever damage was done, has long since been repaired.
 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:21 am

Matt:

Thanks for the update. My thought was that it had been built back up.

It's one thing to not build up a residential area around an airport that had been a crash site, such as the area where PA 759 crashed here; but it makes sense to rebuild an area that's miles from an airport.

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:24 am

On a similar note, the crash site of a United 737 that went down near MDW in 1972 has been rebuilt, atlhough it is less than 3 miles from the end of the runway. However, you can tell the difference between the newly built homes and the original ones.

 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:25 am

I was living in Fullerton at the time, working on the roof of a friend's house; I have often speculated that, had I been looking the right way, I might well have seen the collision.

Later, maybe an hour or two, we drove his wife (a NW FA) to LAX for her commute to Detroit, and as we went by the location on the 91 were struck by the remarkable number of TV trucks on the overpass nearest the scene. One could not see any of the damage from the freeway of course, though the plane went down very near the 91- that could have been an even bigger disaster.

I thought that driving by the scene of a just-occurred airliner crash might spook her, but she seemed unfazed.
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:43 pm

There is a photo somewhere of the crippled DC-9 missing its horizontal stabilizer in a vertical dive towards the ground. I think i saw it in "Collision Course" which is a book about the FAA safety standards. Pretty freaky picture, and the destruction the plane caused was massive. A whole suburban block was like wiped out!
 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:46 pm

Tom in NO,
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:57 pm

I remember seeing a picture of that DC-9 going down...very eerie, straight down, unlike the PSA 72 in San Diego.

If you want to see a crash site, go to CLT. Somewhere along the perimeter road, you'll see the asphalt scarred and partially melted and grooves carved in. You'll see a clearing on the side of the road, and on the other side of the road a bit farther away stands a memorial to USAir 1016. The damage is still there.
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:23 am

jmc1975: nope, didn't go to Azusa Pacific. Did go to Citrus for one summer ('79), then Mt. SAC for two (1981 grad), before going to Embry-Riddle in Florida. I lived for about a year in Azusa, near the corner of Azusa Ave and Gladstone St (apartments-something "Monterey" I think).

Positive rate: My LA Times front page article does have the photo you are speaking of. The aircraft is inverted, about 70 degrees nose down, white smoke trailing it. Not good to think about.

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:33 am

JBirdAV8r: I was just about to post that, my dad (a US Airways pilot) lives just a few miles from that site. I think the memorial is nice, but the road should've been fixed long ago.

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:42 am

I went to Mt. Scum too, from 1991-1993.

Talk about a small world Tom! I grew up in San Dimas, La Verne, and West Covina. You didn't live far from me at all.
 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:48 am

I grew up in West Covina and was driving back from Huntington Beach the day of the Aeromexico #498 crash. We saw the smoke from around the Santa Ana area of the Golden State (5) Freeway. I was 16, on that day in 1986.

My sister had classmates on AM 498 who were returning from a fishing trip with their father in Cabo San Lucas. We both attended West Covina High School and she graduated 2 years behind me. The loss was all too sad.

2 Years ago, I was on Carmenita Road around 183rd Street and I'd decided to drive around the impact area. There have been newer homes built on the site and were noticeably newer than the older homes that were not destroyed by the crash. The area was quite eerie and very quiet for 4PM in the afternoon.

On a side note, I, too went to 'Mt.SLACK' (Mt. SAC) from 1988 to 1991 and also 1997 to 1998. Did anyone one have old man 'Klinker' for any Aeronautics classes?

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sat Jul 19, 2003 10:07 am

WesternDC1010

Imagine that...we both lived in WC.

I presume you also heard about the 1988 "merger" between WC and Edgewood, which spelled the end of the "Spartans" and "Trojans" to come up with, of all things, the "Bulldogs".

Well, I was a first year "Bulldog". So I had no allegiance to either side. But talk about a lot of confusion.

And if you really, REALLY went to WC, then surely you remember Mr Kaluza (the train guy) and Mrs. Brathe (sp?).

THAT name speaks for itself and struck fear into th hearts of everyone that attended WCHS until 1989.
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sat Jul 19, 2003 11:17 am

Matt,

I graduated WCHS in 1988, the last Spartan class. So that stone "West Covina High School - Home of the Bulldogs" sign at the entrance to the school on Fernwood was our class gift to the school.

And yes, I do remember Phil Kaluza very well as he was my ROP counselor. Not a very pleasant man as I concur about stiking the fear into hearts that hear his name! I had Sharon Barath my freshman year for English, a much better individual than 'Time-Bomb Kaluza!'

I thought I was the only Airline/Aviation Enthusiast at WCHS in that time.

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sat Jul 19, 2003 11:27 am

Damn...we missed each other by one year! I didn't come to WCHS until after the merger, for the '88-'89 year. There were a few other 'plane freaks' there. I was one of them. I think that Mr. Shaw was also into planes. he always had a collection of Aviation Week on his shelf. I agree. Kaluza was a time bomb. He reminds me a lot (in looking back) of Mr. McVicker on "Beavis And Butthead" Mrs. Barathe had a memory like an elephant.

Speaking of wierd teachers, did you know, or ever have Mrs Thone Ritch? I had her sophomore Engrish. (har!)

What was her story? Not only did she always wear those bad Mrs Roper togas and mu'umu'us, but she had to be the most senile teacher I ever encountered. You could not do your homework for a week, then when she asked you about it, all you would have to do is tell her you did it. Just remind her of the color dress she wore on that day. If you were adamant enough, she'd buy it and 'correct' the grades. The time she brought in her old 45 oldies and asked us to "rate" them was one of the funniest days I've had in my life. Then there was the time she conducted the class via a small battery powered microphone and speakers. We were in stitches.


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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sat Jul 19, 2003 11:36 am

Mrs Thone Ritch? Must've been after my time.

Lets take this WCHS discussion offline and not bore anyone here. Whats your e-mail address?

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:59 pm

I wonder if the people living there now know about this accident? I think it would feel pretty strange living on a spot where 100+ people died.
 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:13 am

Ron and Matt,
Yep, I had Klinker as a teacher at SAC. In looking at my transcript from there, I had so many air transportation-type classes, I can't remember which ones he taught. SAC was the one time where I ditched my graduation ceremony. It was also nice to be able to take golf and bowling to cover my P.E. requirements!

I've made a couple of quick passes this week around the PA 759 site here at MSY looking for the memorial mentioned somewhere.....can't find it, obviously tucked somewhere I'm not looking.

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:27 am

Tom in NO- when did you go to Riddle? Was it Prescott or Daytona?

PS-Like you I've never been able to find the 759 memorial. Lost my commuter roommate(Vivian Ford) and some other great friends.
 
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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:56 am

Skyhawk:
Went to Riddle-Daytona June 1981 through December 1982 (2 year degree from Mt. SAC transferred to Riddle, did 2 years at Riddle for BS degree). Also started Masters program at Riddle in Summer of '83, but bailed out (didn't like it, wanted to hang out on beach more  Smile.

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sun Jul 20, 2003 1:18 am

Here is a link to the pictures of AeroMexico's DC9-32 XA-JED (MSN:47356) on a nose dive:

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/am498/photo.shtml

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RE: AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988

Sun Jul 20, 2003 1:59 am

Tom in NO-Are you planning on going to the Homecoming events this year? They seem to be fairly extravagant, with the anniversary of flight and all. My husband is a 74'alumni and our son is an 02' alum. Check out their site for all of the scheduled events.