swissgabe
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Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:07 pm

... a total of 22 destinations including:
CGN, JED, GIG, ACC, THR, PEK, DEL, LBV ...
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The777Man
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:12 pm

Hi !

Too bad, but not unexpected that they would cut destinations. I'm surprised that PEK is one of them though.

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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:25 pm

Yes, PEK and DEL surprised me as well and I was surprised that MIA wasn't mentioned.

Too bad seeing THR going away. LBV and ACC both are only extensions of other African destinations so I would have seen MNL and SIN going away as well.
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:27 pm

Yes, MNL would make sense to go. At a quick glance, it doesn't seem that MNL would get that much high yield traffic, certainly less than PEK.

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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:28 pm

Rio de Janeiro, Lagos, Accra, Jeddah, Teheran, Libreville, Beijing, Delhi. Köln/Bonn, Oslo, Graz, Venedig, Florenz, Bologna, Valencia, Kiew, Zagreb, Ljubljana, Prishtina, Sofia, Krakau, Skopje.

These destinations will be cutted with the wintertime table
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gerardo
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:32 pm

Hasn't MNL been cut months ago?

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swissgabe
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:33 pm

Well, KBP still has Codeshare flights on PS.

Right 777Man, also would have said that MNL has lower yields than PEK but at least LX has traffic rights between HKG and MNL vv.

On the radio they said that now ALL Swiss destinations should be profitable. I can't believe this.
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swissgabe
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:37 pm

http://www.swiss.com/index/sw-nw-pr-press-releases-03.htm?newsid=25647 would be the press release ...

Great to see the Jumbolino back in Lugano ...

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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:46 pm

Oslo? Geeez... are they still considered an European airline?

I thought cutting SIN was on the cards too?
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:23 pm

I don't really understand why they are cutting Tunis and Casablanca... Load factores, especially in Summer are high and I don't think the yields are too bad. Well the question is : are they going to keep the codesharing agreement with Tunisair on the Tunis-Switzerland routes
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:52 pm

Air Malta: Casablanca and Tunis are nice destinations, but via GVA, there's probably not that much connecting traffic. With further cuts in GVA, even more transfer passengers to these destinations will be lost. And as it looks, the service is not profitable as a point-to-point connection.

I don't know about the yields, but I assume that both destinations have more leisure than business travel.

It's always sad to see destination cuts but if they don't make any money, it's better to stop flying there and settle with a codeshare agreement or something like that.

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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 6:33 pm

Is Montreal safe for now?

LX is a great alternative for me when I visit my parents in Dubai!
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 6:51 pm

Marco
It looks like Montreal is confirmed NOT to be cut off ...
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 6:57 pm

They are withdrawing service to Venice too? That's too bad...from 3x daily service to ZRH to zero. Very sad, especially after rumours (not sure how reliable the source was, I just read it in the paper a while ago) that they would introduce bigger aircraft on the route.

Well, if it's for the survival of Swiss, so be it. I hope they can reinstate at least some of these axed routes in the future...
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 6:58 pm

And SAS plans to restart services between Oslo and Zürich from november...
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:13 pm

Yes, PEK and DEL surprised me as well and I was surprised that MIA wasn't mentioned.

MIA is thier most profitable trans-Atlantic destination from ZRH. Excellent premium loads, especially as Swiss as become a favourite carrier among Miami's South African and Israeli communities, both of which are mostly in the upper middle/upper class and bring in very high yields. Not to mention a key connection point with thier AA codeshare network.

[Edited 2003-07-11 13:14:43]
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AIR MALTA
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:45 pm

Airways :
Tunis-Zurich which run daily until Jan 03 used to have a connecting traffic.
Tunis-Geneva is more point to point service than a connecting one...
There is a large Tunisian community in Geneva and neighboring France and a lot of Swiss use this service for business or tourism. Tickets are quite expensive especially in Switzerland (around CHF600) for a 1h50 flight compared to may be CHF300 for the GVA-LHR service...

As Tunis lacks an Intercontinental service they should have kept the flight retiming it to connect to the New York service out of Geneva. I think it is more convenient to connect through GVA than CDG or FRA. Moreover, I think that people here trust more Swiss than Air France...

Anyway, I hope they'll keep their codesharing agreement with Tunisair, as I'm a Travelclub member and I have many points to redeem...

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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 9:37 pm

MAH4546
Several people told me that LAX has the lowest yield on North Atlantic due to a lot of leisure traffic. I'm sure that you are aware that transit pax (low/middle/high end) produce a lower yield than non-stop pax. No doubt, the loads are excellent between ZRH and MIA.
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:01 pm

What really astonishes me very much is that Lagos is stopped. That is usually a real moneymaker, as Malabo is. Maybe the reason is that quite a lot of airlines are serving Lagos.
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:20 pm

Lagos may be a good destination for airlines operating from Britain and other countries where people of Nigerian origin live, but not particularly for swiss...

as for the destination chopping.. its great to see it.. they should have done it ages ago.. about time they get in shape... they wanted the old world charm of massive route networks and luxury service, with fares to match.. but switzerland is after all a small country and with cost cutting measures and the reduction of overcapacity (they are cutting a lot of excess frequency) will help them become profitable again.

Their other problem is high operating expenses due to high labour costs in switzerland, and correct me if i'm wrong, but their pilots are among the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) in europe.

If these measures dont help.. the axe should chop chop chop a bit more.. and its time to furlough even more unnecessary staff... or reduce salaries (tough one.. the unions will rise up..)

unpleasant as it may be, tis the way to survive in the airline industry these days. (look at what BA did after 9/11 and how it has helped!)

[Edited 2003-07-11 15:22:47]
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:29 pm

@Angelairways

"Their other problem is high operating expenses due to high labour costs in switzerland, and correct me if i'm wrong, but their pilots are among the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) in europe."

You're talking about the good old days....... But these days, this doesn't apply anymore.

Back to topic, I also worry about whether all remaining destinations are making profit...... I really hope the LX management at least this time got their numbers right!!

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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:42 am

Interesting that there is no news about EZE...the girl at LX check-in told me in April that loads were dreadful, and that the flight from Brazil to Argentina was completely pointless.

My parents flew ZRH-GRU-EZE and watched most of the plane empty at GRU.
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:20 am


Hi!

Huuuuffff! I'm glad SWISS is keeping LAX! I didn't want to be redirected to another US airport with AA and I was looking forward to fly in the new 343, that's good!
Now about the new 2003/2004 Winter Schedule I think it's a very reasonable, bright, honest effort from SWISS. The past of swiss aviation was founded in many routes all over the world and during a lot of time that was great, Switzerland was in the centre of Europe, so it was a great connecting point, also Swissair was a very reliable airline, people enjoyed flying them and they gave a great service, but the globalization of civil aviation around the world, the 9/11, low cost airlines, all that and many other things changed the approach of those strong airlines.
What I see now is SWISS is JUST going to fly routes that are profitable and routes that they expect will florish in the future.
I agree with most of those cuts, Africa unfortunetly is still a very volatile place to operate, BA, AF are well positioned there, even TP is quite solid there, they've been flying for more than 50 years, Sabena left a big hole there too, so SWISS leaving those places is not bad. Rio is also well cut/off, S. Paulo is ok to stay and there's always a huge air-bridge flying those 2 cities, Buenos Aires must be one of those places that SWISS expect to florish, Argentina is not in good shape but who's flying from there to Europe?

BA - 777
AF - 777
AZ - MD11
IB - 343 or 346?

And of course AR, but if we look closely SWISS can actually compete well with all of these, maybe BA would be the most competitive but looking to AZ and IB, I would really choose SWISS!
Middle East, India, China, that's ok too, there's a lot of flights going there so! In Europe, SWISS is keeping all their major european cities, the list of the ones that are dropping are 2nd. tier ones and some capital from eastern europe like Kiew and Sofia those ones were kept just to "show" swiss flad there!
SWISS is really wise keeping all their US cities, all of them can generate a lot of income, US travellers love to travel to Europe and Switzerland is still a place in their dreams. Don't forget that at this time SWISS is the only one flying to the real centre of Europe, Alitalia stopped flying LAX and I'm sure some of the italian traffic will re-direct via ZRH.
SWISS is tayloring their network to their reality and that's good.
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:37 am


LX flights to South America are scheduled ZRH - GRU daily and then twice a week on to GIG and 4 times a week on to EZE. This involved 3 crews per flight. A Swiss FA earns around CHF 7500- a month. Just imagine what labour costs at Swiss must be.

From what I was told by Swiss local staff, LX 094/5 will fly ZRH-GRU only, GIG and EZE will be dropped. Load factors between the two points are around 97% !

An interesting development is that as of last March Lufthansa halted its Frankfurt - Buenos Aires - Santiago de Chile flights extended its GRU service to EZE four times a week and to SCL three times a week , and upgraded equipment from an A 343 to a B 744.

British Airways has also cancelled its LHR - EZE non-stop and now flies its 777s to EZE via GRU.

The TAM/VARIG merger will provide new opportunities on this route since it will be operated by them and AR only. TAM flies brand new A320s on the route but AR flies old an worn 73Ss
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:53 am

Whyare they cutting DEL? Isn't a profitable flight? How is the BOM flights and ORD?

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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:00 am

Route changes come and go like fireflies on a summer breeze these days.
Money talks and if it makes economic sense for LX to reinstate places like Rio and Peking then they will in time. Nothing in life is certain except change. LX is going to be around a long time, especially since they have demonstrated the common sensical ability to cut their losses and bail when they have to.

To admire bigness (as in blanketed worldwide coverage) is "the vice of the vulgar mind", to quote E.M. Forster. It's better to offer a great smaller product (like Midwest Airlines or Sri Lankan) than a big shabby one, like...well, I won't mention names for fear of inciting local riots around the site.  Innocent

[Edited 2003-07-11 20:02:22]
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:04 am

CV 990 forgot to include KLM in his Europe to BUE list. They have a codeshare agreement with TAM. Their 743s fly AMS - GRU and passengers continue their trip to BUE on an A 332 with same flight number.

 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:04 am

Another one for the Swiss experts on this board.

How is the Montreal route? They seem to have many a business class passenger since Swiss has secured contracts with organizations such as the IATA.

Mark
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:14 am

Hi!

Just to clear out, the airlines I stated normally fly their own airplanes to EZE. I think that's something you'll take in yr. evaluation, flying a sharing code flight or going right away with the same airline.
About Canada and specially the connection with YUL, it's really interesting because I have some friends there and it's not unusual to say that they went to Canada for vacations or something related with agricultural matters, it looks that there's a nieche for SWISS over there!
Maybe because the french part of Switzerland!
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:20 am

DoorsToManual
Depending on the season, EZE flights are excellent booked and compared to other stations they produce a very high yield. Especially front end traffic is quite popular and this doesn't only depend on the current economical situation in Argentina.

Lfutia
Guess BOM is doing better than DEL and I'm sure LX has some good SPAs to feed pax via BOM to DEL on IC or another Indian carrier.
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:21 am

GVA is severely hit but I stand more than certain that easyJet will come and replace them on a couple of routes (increase frequencies to Nice, create GVA-AGP...). Talking about GVA-NCE this will be a first for easyJet to have a monopoly on a route, lets see if their prices rocket or not. My hope is to see Air France come in with 2 or 3 daily flights for that route.

YUL is filled up by about 30% of people coming from GVA. Its kind of a pity AC never got the chance to open up the route (thank you LH).

Another notable fact is the retirement of all the Saab 2000 fleet, and the dropping of a couple of niche markets... I have to admit I expected more severe drops for the longhaul network but I guess Swiss is trying to fly to destinations where there is profitability and many passengers originating from Switzerland...

Tim
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:58 am

Several people told me that LAX has the lowest yield on North Atlantic due to a lot of leisure traffic.

Yes, I have heard the same thing. I think Swiss is staying in Los Angeles, even though the flight reportedly loose money, because it is an important and key international market for any airline. Although MIA is a big leisure market, the demographic of the European tourist heading to Miami are extremely upscale, usually in thier mid-30s to mid-40s, and "jet set", especially those from France, Switzerland, and Italy. They make Swiss money.

I'm sure that you are aware that transit pax (low/middle/high end) produce a lower yield than non-stop pax. No doubt, the loads are excellent between ZRH and MIA.

Yes, of course transit pax provide lower yields, but they still provide something. Swiss with it's garnered reputation for unbeatable service and product, which I still feel they live up to despite their troubles has made a name for itself, and with the majority of Miami's South African and Israeli population being in the upper class have taken a strong liking to Swiss' premium services, especially with SAA no longer in Miami and El Al having only two weekly flights. Zurich is also a much more hassle-free place to connect than Heathrow or Frankfurt. Loads lately on Swiss MIA services have been good, but economy seems to be averaging about 65-75%, while both first and business have been going out full daily (I'm not referring to last minute at the gate upgrades). Between October and April, however, there is never an empty seat to be found.
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 5:03 am

What about Tokyo. Will be flying to Narita in October, hopefully not on the A340! For how long will they keep the MD-11 on that route?????

Keep on flying DC Jets!

VASI
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 5:18 am


Hi!

According with the homepage www.seatmap.com SWISS will change from MD11 to 343 on the 12nd. November 2003.
Don't be mad, the MD11 is a great airplane and probably it will be one of your last chances to fly it!
On the way back you'll get the 343! It's like me, I got the MD11 from ZRH to LAX ( HB-IWM ) and on rtn I'll fly the 343!!!
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 10:00 am

The destination that surprises me is Jeddah....i always considered JED as a very sought after route by many airlines including European ones. The question for all the LX experts here is how is the KHI via DXB route doing.....the route must be doing well as it was the first one to get the A340 and secondly it didnt get cut...i'd appreciate further info
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:18 pm

I'm also surprised that MNL is still on the list. They already had a press release a few months ago saying that this route would be cut. But I suppose MNL-HKG is a very lucrative market (they have rights between these cities), and with competition only from CX & PR these days they can probably sustain this route. Also, with BA & AZ gone from MNL, and PR no longer flying to Europe, they can probably provide healthy competition to KL, LH & AF.
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:52 pm

@Marcopolo747

"A Swiss FA earns around CHF 7500- a month. Just imagine what labour costs at Swiss must be. "

I really wonder where you got this information from! This number is maybe accurate for a purser after some 15 to 20 years of service, but definitely not the average salary of an FA!!! Divide this number by 2 and you get a better idea about the FA salary!

Cheers, Thomas
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 4:23 pm

Given that they plan to have only 18 international a/c (combo of 343s and 332s), I don't see how they can still keep flying to so many international destinations unless they cut some frequencies on these routes. For example, the North American schedule will already take up nine of the a/c - 3 NY, 1 each for YUL, MIA, LAX, ORD, BOS, IAD. BKK/SIN will require 2 as will JNB. If HKG remains daily (including 3 to MNL), that will be another 2. BOM requires 1. That already brings us to 16. There is still DXB/KHI/Muscat which according to present schedules, require 1. Which still leaves us with TLV, CAI, AA), Japan">NRT, GRU/EZE, West Africa....

Actually, MNL is quite heavy...the latest SWISS inflight magazine has an interview with the HKG station manager where he states that during the SARS crisis, they were able to maintain the HKG flights mainly because of MNL doing well...

MIA was definitely not on the chopping block because of the AA connections available there. Same case with ORD.
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ..Bern Airport

Sat Jul 12, 2003 5:25 pm

Swiss will cease all operations at Bern Airport. (switzerland's capital)
 
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Saab 2000

Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:06 pm

@Boeing747-400 (Tim) :

Another notable fact is the retirement of all the Saab 2000 fleet, and the dropping of a couple of niche markets...

From what I read yesterday on Air Transport Intelligence, LX will not phase out all the Saabs. Instead they seem to reduce their ERJ-Fleet from 20 to 14 and keep a small Saab 2000 fleet of 6. A Swiss spokesperson was quoted with the following statement: "We are keeping the Saab 2000s because most are in the possession of Swiss and cheaper in the financing. We were looking into operating costs and they are favourable with the Saab 2000s"

Cheers,

Thomas
 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:51 pm

The current SWISS flight operation set-up will remain unchanged until November 2003 with a few exceptions including the reactivation of the Zurich/Hong Kong/Zurich connection on days 5 and 6, as from 18th July. The flights to and from Beijing ex Zurich and the services to / from Milan, Hannover and London City ex Basle will remain cancelled.

Washington and Newark will be served with Air Business Jets.

Has anybody heard about these Air Buisness Jets that Swiss will use? Is it the same as LH use for the DUS-EWR-DUS service?

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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:57 am

Conspiracy Theory doing the rounds:

Swiss are dropping Lagos and keeping Dar es Salaam and Nairobi because Lufthansa don't fly there.
So they're already coordinating with Lufty in advance of the alleged offer to buy Swiss.

Nah! I don't buy it, too fanciful isn't it?

Meanwhile Angelairways wrote:

"the axe should chop chop chop a bit more.. and its time to furlough even more unnecessary staff... or reduce salaries (tough one.. the unions will rise up..)"

Sir, a day-trip suggestion:
Fly to Zurich on Swiss, tell your Crew - who speak at least 3 languages, so choose your own 2nd language - those same remarks, disembark, exit Customs turn left, walk 300 metres and enter the Ops Centre. Now go and tell those same words to the good and dedicated staff there and listen to their reaction. I dare you.

Get the train to Basel and do the same.

Then I'll meet you for a quiet drink in a certain airport Hotel Bar when you come back and I'll introduce you to some people who worked for Swissair for years, lost their job, their Swissair shares, their livelihoods, their pride etc. and we'll carry on the discussion. Don't worry, the drinks are on me.

 
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:21 am

In my opinion the cabin crews (don't know about the others; cannot judge) are doing a great job despite the rough wind that blows into their faces! They still have a smile for everyone that comes aboard.

Sad that they have to feel the result of some management faults. They do not deserve this situation at all.

RJ100
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gerardo
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RE: Swiss Cutting ...

Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:06 pm

RJ100: I agree 100%. The FA's are still providing that extra service, which makes every LX-flight a bit different, a bit above average.

Regards
Gerardo
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