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Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:17 pm

Hi all,

In the past few days I've seen on the website of Brussels airport http://www.biac.be that Sobelair uses 1 or 2 Airbus 319 on certain destinations.

Are they using SN Brussels Airlines' A319's for this ? Thanks for your help.

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 9:28 pm

It was stated somewhere that indeed SLR leases 1 (or more?) SN BA A319 at this moment.

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 9:45 pm

Indeed today they use 2 SNBA A319 aircrafts. OO-SSM and OO-SSK

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 9:48 pm

If they use 2 A319's, how much are there left for SNBA ? I thought they only had 2 ?

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 9:55 pm

SN-A330: SN has 3 A319's (OO-SSG, OO-SSK, OO-SSM).

Did the agreement between SLR and SN change recently? I always heard they were going to lease only 1 A319...

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:03 pm

So far as I know it's only today that tey use 2 A319's

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:50 pm

Yeah, I also thought that they had leased only one.

Anyway, if they have two A319's out of three, SN BA has one left. So, how can they continue flying to all the routes on which they have the A319 scheduled? Replaced by the Avro temporarily wherever possible?

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:17 pm

Today 00-SSM has a flight to Alicante and one to Iraklio (HER, Crete). Our other two 319's, SSG and SSK, operate on our MAD and Rome operation. So only one aircraft is flying for SLR !

The agreement with SLR is flexible. Sometimes we operate one flight for them, sometimes two... So our 319 is not all the time flmying for SLR. After or before a charterflight the a/c operates on our SN network.
 
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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:21 pm

Passengers will be glad to get the 31inch seat pitch on the SN A319 instead of having to fly on a cramped SLR B737  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:25 pm

Hi Pressclub,

Does this mean SNBA will have too much capacity after the heavy holiday season (july and august)?

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:41 pm

If you check the timetable of any scheduled airline in Europe, you'll see many destinations are served with reduced frequencies and with smaller metal.

So iso having planes standing idle on the tarmac, they fly for SLR... as from Sepember the charter season is over and scheduled SN flights resume at full frequency, so all 3 A319s are back on line flying for SN.
 
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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:46 pm

SN announces very good June results:

According to figures from BIAC (Brussels International Airport Company) 133.753 SN Brussels Airlines passengers departed from Brussels last June.

This is the highest score ever for SN Brussels Airlines, strengthening their position as 1st player in Brussels!

Furthermore, the advanced bookings look very promising, especially on Africa where SN Brussels Airlines reaches a Seat Load Factor of 93,6% over the next 31 days.



 
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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:47 pm


SN-A330 - Although it is the summer season (peak season) for charter flights to sunny destinations, "Business" travel only starts picking up for SNBA starting September onwards.

It's to fill this "Gap" that SNBA can permit itself to lease out certain aircraft when they are not needed. Very convinient for SNBA AND for Sobelair I would say. They complement eachother very well. Sabena used to do the same, leasing out 737's to Sobelair when needed. Sometimes even the 747 was put in to cover for 2 flights, for example as a replacement due to mechanical problems.


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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:27 pm

@A330DAT: thanks for the information and I'm very glad to hear that those things are solved in an intelligent manner between SNBA and SLR.

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:58 am

Something else,

I heard that SLR was out of financial problems.

-They have signed a contract to fly on several Indian cities and will use at least 2 of their B763 on these routes.
-They could make an agreement with the leasing company to lease the B763's for a cheaper price.

-On the other hand it doesn't goes that well in their agreement with Curacao.

Anybody can confirm or adjust this?

Just heard it so don't shoot me if I am wrong

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:35 pm

Passengers will be glad to get the 31inch seat pitch on the SN A319 instead of having to fly on a cramped SLR B737

Ahhh, mature Airbus vs. Boeing comments coming from you. Why am I not surprised?  Insane

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:28 pm

@ Boeing4ever : I think you get that one wrong. The SLR 373's are in charter configuration, while the SNBA A319's are in the usual economy/business seat layout.

I hope that clears things.... no Airbus versus Boeing wars here...

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Tue Jul 15, 2003 9:59 pm

SN-A330 got it right, it was just a comment about the configuration of the 'craft not about a manufacturer or another one.

Indeed, keep the war for other threads.

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:40 pm

Indeed it does. Call it shell shock I guess.  Big grin

Sorry for any misunderstandings.

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:00 pm

Passengers will be glad to get the 31inch seat pitch on the SN A319 instead of having to fly on a cramped SLR B737

Ahhh, mature Airbus vs. Boeing comments coming from you. Why am I not surprised?


I think it THE deal for the SLR pax concerned !!!

There is a world of difference !!! Even with the new 737-800.
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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:59 pm

There is a world of difference !!! Even with the new 737-800.

A)738s are still selling...and quite well I might add
B)Most pax are just happy getting to their destination and in these times knowing that the airline won't go belly up and cancel their flight.

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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:16 pm

Latest news:

Sobelair is very close to a final deal with leasing company DSF of Germany for two of its 767-300ER. But it would still need to get fresh money into its capital.

@ Boeing4ever:

My purpose is not that silly A vs. B war !!! I just said that an A319 of SNBA (scheduled company) has far more space for the legs than a 738 of a charter airline !!! The opposite can be true also !! I don't think the Easy Jet A319 will have a lot of leg space !


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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Sat Jul 19, 2003 10:10 pm

Boeing4ever: who is making immature comments?

Have you ever flown the B737 of SLR? I tell you I had to put my legs in my neck.

If you would know me better, you would know that I'm more a Boeing man than an Airbus man, but what else can you expect these days from nationalistic americans who seem to hate every other (French) manufacturer...
 
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RE: Sobelair Flying A319?

Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:38 pm

If you would know me better, you would know that I'm more a Boeing man than an Airbus man, but what else can you expect these days from nationalistic americans who seem to hate every other (French) manufacturer...

I admit, I jumped to conclusions. Like I said before, Shellshock. I don't necessarily hate French manufacturers. I am more of a Boeing man (duh), but I do like Dassault. Who doesn't?  Big grin I miss Sud Aviation, (love that Caravelle), and am not some nationalistic nutjob who hates foreigners. I'm just tired of all the a v b crap, and am now obviously a little trigger happy. Peace.

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