MCOtoATL
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NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:12 am

First, this is not the normal "When will NW get rid of their DC-9's" question.

I flew on two DC-9's this week - a DC9-30 from ATL-DTW and a series -50 on the way home. The planes were in great shape and looked modern and nice on the inside. I checked in on the automatic kiosks in both ATL and DTW and was given the opportunity to upgrade to First Class for $50, which I did. In fact, on the way to DTW I sat next to a retired captain for NW and we had a great conversation.

Anyway, in DTW I noticed that many of the DC-9's were using thrust reversers to pull out of the gate (these were all the series 30, whereas the -50's had tugs - I don't know if that was by design or coincidence.) What are the pros and cons of using thrust reversers out of the gate? I have heard that there are some potential hazards.

By the way, NW's new terminal at Detroit is really nice, modern, spacious, and clean.
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:21 am

You can blow out windows. If something was on the ramp, it could be blown by the thrust into the window or the jetway. Just the sound on a Diesel 9 could blow out the window. I was in a park about 2 miles away from BOS and a 9 of FL went to t/o pwr. It was deafening. And the wind was blowing towards the DC-9.
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:27 am

Well working for NW.. lemme tell you, the A319/A320 is a far superior product than the DC9, in terms of pretty much anything including space.

The DC9 cannot compare to DL's MD88/738, AA's 738, CO 737's models, US A319's, AC A320 models... all above are the workhorse of the fleet.

The DC9 is nice compared to what it used to be, but it still dirty, noisy, and sometimes not as smooth.

I feel so much more re-assured on a 737/A319 than a DC9.

Mark
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:29 am

Con's:

LOUD and ANNOYING to other pax and employees in the terminal. When AA would power out the S80's and F100's in ROC everyone would say "AA's leaving again" with sarcasm in their voices.

Pro's

?? Are there any ?? Why deprive good ramp agents the fun of a pushback!

 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:41 am

I just read an article in one of the airline magazines and it mentioned that the DC9's would most likely be around until 2010.
You can cut the irony with a knife
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:58 am

DC-9's are only allowed to "powerback" at certain airports. One advantage is that the aircraft can depart more quickly, no waiting for the tug to be disconnected. It's a very loud procedure. Any airport that has limited room near the gate ramp area is pretty much off limits for powerbacking.
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:26 am

Also, don't you dare try powerbacks at any California airport!! The airline will be heavily fined for violating air and noise pollution laws if they did that.

Well, this does explain why there are so many airplane towing vehicles on the ramp at SFO and SJC.
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:31 am

I only noticed the powerbacks of the NW DC-9s on the east side/street side of the Mac Terminal
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:32 am

Talk about a workhorse...our 9's can and will obviously be around for some time. They are great in certain markets. Sure they are a little loud, and yes I too prefer the A319 or 320 but what are you talking about FLYYUL???The question was about whether you can use thrust reversers on the 50 series...yes you can by the way.. Maybe it was just coincidence, but we have been powered back before on a 50. It just depends on what block of gates at DTW and other factors determined by ground ops....
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:10 am

"I only noticed the powerbacks of the NW DC-9s on the east side/street side of the Mac Terminal"

You are correct - that is where I saw them.

And while there are obvious advantages to newer aircraft, look at the financial aspect. I have a 1998 car that has 100,000 miles on it. It is paid for. Each month comes and goes, and there are no payments to be made. Sure I could buy a newer car that may be more economical and more reliable, but it would also cost more. Now, I can save money and one day buy a new car. As for NW and their DC-9's, I understand that they are paid for, and thus even if they have to spend a bit of money on repairs and fuel for the less economical planes, it still is not as expensive as buying new ones (at least apparently not yet.)
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:12 am

AA has done some powerbacks at DTW (B7/B8). I don't think DL can do it with the -88 because it's fairly congested on their side- I've never seen them do it (at DTW).
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Sun Jul 13, 2003 2:07 pm

Trivia- if the pilot steps on the brakes while the Diesel 9 is rolling backwards, the plane will fall on it's tail! Hahahaha, what a sight that would be.

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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:42 am

DC-9's are always parked on the East (inside) of A concourse at DTW. Very rarely are they parked on the West side. The gates on the inside only handle DC-9 and A319 and on occasion an ARJ.

Powerbacks cannot be done when it is wet or snowy out as it will throw up the precip. from the ramp. If you are ever in the parking garage during a powerback it can be quite loud. I remember being there in the first few days after the WorldGateway opened and they had people with decibel meters out on the arrivals level measuring how loud the thrust reverse procedure was for bystanders.
 
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RE: Air Canada Questions

Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:50 am

Hey FLYYUL, i don't think the point of the thread was whether or not the A320 was a superior aircraft to the DC9, i think MCOtoATL was just making a comment and trying to find out about "powerbacks". Personally, I'd fly a DC9 anyday than "sparky the wonder jet".
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:01 pm

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The DC-9s powerback at MSP ALL the time! It's great! They are so loud though, but only pussies cover their ears up!

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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:30 pm

I personally love standing next to an OLD 732 on start up and hearing the "JTs" scream! Now I like airbus too, but they don't scream, they lightly CACKLE! They sound like a hoover vacuume! lol
 
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RE: NW DC-9's - Not The Typical Question

Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:35 pm

In a past life Airbus was a vacuume. When a DC-9 powers out in MSP, people who don't care even take notice.

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