Pe@rson
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SWA1925: AMA-LIT? Why?

Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:09 am

I was just on Flytecomm.com and looking at LIT's arrivals. I was surprised to see the following flight because there is no SWA-operated scheduled service between these two cities.

Airline: Southwest
Flight Number: 1925
Departure City (Airport): Amarillo, TX (AMA)
Departure Time 07/12/2003: 06:03 PM
Arrival Time 07/12/2003: 07:15 PM
Remaining Flight Time: 00:17
Aircraft Type: Boeing 737-300
Current Altitude: 33,000 feet
Current Groundspeed: 561 mph
Flight Status: In Flight

Does anyone know the reason behind this flight?

[Edited 2003-07-13 02:11:05]
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LoneStarMike
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RE: SWA1925: AMA-LIT? Why?

Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:34 am

I think WN 1925 operates OAK-LAS-LIT-BWI. Looks like it made an unscheduled stop in AMA for whatever reason.

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RE: SWA1925: AMA-LIT? Why?

Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:42 am

Yeah, 1925 routes OAK-LAS-LIT-BWI. I was just curious about the unscheduled AMA stop.
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RE: SWA1925: AMA-LIT? Why?

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:11 am

FUEL STOP DUE TO THE HIGH PAX LOADS AND HIGH TEMPS WITH LOW ATOGS IN LAS...THE LAST FEW DAYS EVERY LONG HAUL OUT OF LAS,MDW AND PHX HAVE BEEN MAKING FUEL STOPS DUE TO HIGH LOADS AND VERY HIGH TEMPS AND LOW ATOGS..OUT OF EACH CITY..
 
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RE: SWA1925: AMA-LIT? Why?

Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:19 pm

Cheers Lgbguy! So it's very high loads and very hot weather?
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RE: SWA1925: AMA-LIT? Why?

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:47 pm

Isn't an extra landing (fees, extra fuel to get up and down, late flights, missed connections) very expensive? I guess for a full 737 added costs for the airline will be like $5000. Can't the crew make the estimate with the pax, cargoloads and weatherforcast how much fuel they will burn, and then carry a little extra fuel?
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RE: SWA1925: AMA-LIT? Why?

Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:28 pm

It's funny.............cuase is LIT (where is lit) really that far away from LAS, and you can't burn all of your fuel between LAS and AMA.
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ss278
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RE: SWA1925: AMA-LIT? Why?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:12 am

Its not a question of figuring out how much fuel you will burn. It is a question of how much revenue will you leave behind to fly nonstop, versus the cost of the fuel stop.

On hot days aircraft can be weight restricted. Hot air is thinner than cold air, hence it will produce less lift, thus an airplane cannot be as heavy on takeoff as on a colder day, using the same runways. You have a choice. Do I carry fuel or people and freight?

Leaving pax and freight behind = lost revenue. Will I be better off taking all the people and freight, hence maximizing revenue and making a fuel stop enroute, or, is it better to leave revenue behind and fly nonstop? It is hardly EVER better to leave revenue behind.

In this case, they could fly LAS-AMA nonstop with the fuel available and a full load, but not LAS-LIT, and obviously the fuel stop made economic sense.
 
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RE: SWA1925: AMA-LIT? Why?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:34 am

LAS was 115f yesterday. With the high terrain off the departure end of 25L, we are VERY weight limited due to high terrain to the west. We can actually carry more weight departing off of 7L (same piece of pavement) with up to a 10 kt tailwind. Fuel stops on a day like this are not uncommon, and in reality, not that big of a deal. We typically use places like MAF (Midland) and AMA because we can get in and get out with minimal time. The last time we had to make a fuel stop, we ended up only being @ 15 minutes late, total ground time was less than 10 minutes.
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