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Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:14 am

Hello! I am flying American to LGA from MSP which requires a stop in ORD! I took seats 18 both ways, windows so I can get some nice wing shots inflight. But I noticed that it's close to the engine! Is it really really loud, to the point where you can't talk!? Is is SUPER loud!? Please help, I'd like to know, or I might switch up to seat 8!

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:19 am

Not overly loud....

If you like the DC-9, you'll like the F-100.
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:41 am

The F-100 is Stage 3 compliant, and you experience a little more noise towards the rear of the aircraft-as you would any aircraft. If you've flown on MD-80's (this is just to make a comparison), MD-80's are far louder than F-100's, both from the inside and on the outside (excluding the MD-90, of course). Of course in my opinion, no jet is really too loud. I'm used to hearing F-14's/-15's/-16's/-18's with the burners kickin', so nothing really bothers me. Oh that, and US Navy C-9B's that are unhushkitted. Have to love those JT8D-9A's without hushkits. Music to my ears. Luckily they fly over my home everyday, all day long  Smile

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:45 am

Thanks. The flight after the MSP-ORD one is on a MD-80 and I'm in the back!! Is the F-100 and MD-80 louder than the 727? I was in the very last row of a Sun Country 727 in 2000, and it was ok. Lemme clear something up, is it so loud that you can't hear the person next to you, or hear your CD player?

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 3:54 am

I´m highly surpriced on people who say the F100 is loud.

I ve flown lots of f100 and f70 and found them quiet & comfortable.

Perhaps I was always in the wrong seats ...
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:02 am

I've flown the F100 and I didn't find them that loud. I did sit towards the front although...
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:11 am

How about seats 18A and 18F!? How are those? Thanks everyone btw!

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:37 am

I have found that the F100's can be rather loud towards the rear under certain circumstances, particularly during taxi and certain low speed operations. The noise Im referring to comes from the first stage fan and I havent heard it on every F100, just some of them. It is an irritating buzz, sort of like a vaccum cleaner with a loose belt. I dont have any operating experience with the Tay engines so I cant comment on what causes that sound.
I would welcome any insight on that sound, preferably from another pilot or a mechanic that has time on either the F100 or the Tay engine. Ive never been in the back of a UPS 727-100 so I cnat say if its a noise particular to the F100 or the Tay itself.
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:03 am

Loud? I think it is the most silent aircraft I have ever flown in. I flew JJ GYN-SSA with BSB stopover (my report here) and it was hard to believe we were off the ground if it was not obvious through the window. OK, we were sitting on row 1, but I went to the lavatory and the difference was not appreciable. Lately I have been on Iberia (ex-Aviaco) M88, row 11 (report soon to come) and although not annoying at all, engines were clearly audible.

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:05 am

Fokker 100's are supposed to be one of the quietest jets flying...
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:08 am

I have flown 100's of American Airlines F-100's, especially in the back (because I non-reved a lot when I was younger). They are one of the quietest aircraft currently in service in the United States right now.

Now the last few rows of a MD-80...oh my God! My Bose noise cancellation headphones are just enough to make it tolerable back there.

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:15 am

I haven't flown on the F100, but from the outside the F100 is really quiet while cruising or landing, but on take-off and taxieing its very loud. Not as loud as the MD-80 but a lot louder than a 737.
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:52 am

The F-100 is not very loud. Quieter than MD-80s and DC-9s.

It's a rear-engine wannabe.

The windows are round and small. Expect that and you wont be disappointed.

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:10 am

Perhaps I should clarify a little.

Engine noise and slipstream noise are about average to maybe a little below average for a rear engine jet. Of course it is extremely quiet up front, forward of about row 14. I too have flown aboard many AA F100's. At one time I was based in Chicago and living in Pittsburgh and made the commute every week. I chose AA about 90% of the time because all of their flights were either MD80's (my personal favorite) or F-100's.

Personally, I think the F-100 is more comparable to the Bac111 than the DC9 although it is quieter than both. The F-100 rides like the 111 (stiffer wing than the DC9), and it has the same little oval windows. The DC9/MD80 seats seem to be a bit wider, windows are larger etc.

Back to the noise issue. The absolute worst airline seat I have ever experienced is seat 31F on the US MD81. No window, right next to the first stage compressor, right in front of the lav with tons of vibration and a lot of yawing motion (very turbulent flight). My head still hurt four hours later when I checked into my hotel in Memphis. With that being a ten on the discomfort scale (mine anyway) row 18 on the F100 would be a five. If you have the chance to go up to row 8 take it. You wont be miserable in 18 by any means but row 8 would be much better in all respects.

Im still hoping for some insight from a qualified contributor (pilot or mech on the F-100) as to the possible source/cause of that buzzing fan I mentioned above.
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:09 am

THe MD-80 was not very loud in my opinion. It was just as quiet as the MD-90. I like the MD-80. The 717 has the "Buzz Saw" sound too. The BR715 is way overly quiet. Whenever I hear the buzz saw, you know its gotta be a Rolls-Royce.
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:18 am

Ok, the Fokker seems cool! I'll keep seats 18A and 18F for photos. Now, lol, the MD-80. I have seat 25 selected. I figured it's good for photos, I plan not to sit next to the engines LOL! Rows 22-27 are completely empty, which one is the best for photos of wing, and which one is the best for lowest noise!? Thanks guys, you've all been of great help!

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:33 am

I've sat in the last seat of an MD-80 before and it was pretty loud. Not extremely loud though. You kinda get used to it after a while. When you get off the plane though, you won't be able to hear for a couple of minutes. I wouldn't be really mad if I was assigned to the last seat of a rear engine a/c again, but I would try to get it changed. The worst thing about the last seat in the MD-80 is that there isn't a window! So if you're claustrophobic or you want a view, you should definitely change your seat if your in that situation. I love the MD-80 though. Much better than the A319 or whatever its competitor was!!
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:18 pm

Well I'm like 6-7 rows ahead. Will it still be incredibly loud then!? I'm just really excited to fly tail mounted engined aircrafts, I just don't want to blow my ears out!

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:19 pm

How loud is the F100 in comparison to it's older little brother- the F28? I've heard the F28 is very noisy both from inside and out, and if you are sitting towards the rear it's deafening. Is this true?
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:59 pm

The F28 is quite loud because the engines it uses (Rolls-Royce Spey) is a notoriously loud engine. That does explain why the BAe Trident 3E was actually louder than the Concorde at takeoff!  Wow!

I think the F100's Rolls-Royce Tay engines are vastly quieter, and with a minor nacelle change the F100 could even meet the proposed ICAO Stage IV noise rules, which is 8 dB quieter than the Stage III noise rules.
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 8:06 pm

Flying the Fokker 100 or MD-80s is actually a quieter experience than sitting in the latest 737NGs or A320s although I must say that I always was sitting not further back than the wing on these types. Sad that these types are disappearing slowly.
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:10 pm

Didn't seem too loud on the BD one I flew on a while back, no more than say a 733 (although I was situated in front of the wing).

Just watch out you don't get a seat with a view of the engine, iirc the last couple of rows have windows that just overlook the side of the engine with nothing else visible!

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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 10:24 pm

My experience with the F100 was that you felt the airplane move for takeoff, but didn't hear any engine sounds. I was in row 12.
 
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RE: Are Fokker F-100s Really Loud?

Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:53 pm

Who cares if it is loud your flying!! I flew an ACA J41 which I don't know if it is louder or not than the F100. I was quite loud but it was fun. I flew the J41 like 6 times.