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Why No Civil C-17 Globemaster?

Mon Dec 13, 1999 8:16 am

I was watching some video footage on the C-17 yesterday and truly believe this is an awesome aircraft. If it is the F-15 of transport aircraft, then surely there must be some civil potential to be had out of it. They claim it has broken 22 World records, but only two were mentioned; shortest take off roll for a loaded transporter @ 417m and shortest landing @ 413m. Does anyone know what the other 20 World records were that were broken?

I was amazed that you can deploy air brakes and all four thrust reversers whilst in flight and get 20 000ft on the descent and then slam it down on a gravel runway and once you've slowed to a stop you can then turn it around in its own length!

If I remember correctly, its internal height is 13ft 6in. Does that leave potential for a double deck?

The captain's office is bang up to date with glass cockpit and hud and every other conceivable piece of equipment any pilot could wish for.

What do you think? Maybe a civil C-17 is the elusive Boeing 787 everybody has been guessing about!

Nick
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RE: Why No Civil C-17 Globemaster?

Mon Dec 13, 1999 8:34 am

Back when MDC was still around, they offered the MD-17. Don't know the status of it.

I remember hearing of a flight where they took off with a full load on a 1400ft grass strip, flew 500mi, then landed on a 1400ft grass strip. Very amazing!

By size, it is about equalivant to the DC-10.
 
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RE: Why No Civil C-17 Globemaster?

Mon Dec 13, 1999 1:10 pm

Two MD-17s were built, as cargo aircraft. However there were no customers, and they were converted to military C-17s.
 
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RE: Why No Civil C-17 Globemaster?

Mon Dec 13, 1999 1:38 pm

There is very little demand for aircraft to carry oversize cargo.

Why have an airplane capable of flying into 1400 foot strips when all the flying would be into strips with field legnths of 7000 feet or more.

Just for some info. The 747 can haul more weight than a C5 Galaxy. The Galaxy offers more capacity.

I'm not sure of the cargo weight capacity of the C17 but I bet it's alot less than a 747. And for the same price I would take a 747.

The C17 has amazing capabilities, but they would never be utilized in the capacity of a civilian freighter.

The Russian supper transports are available for a small price. The Russians can't afford to fly them anymore. For the occasional oversize load they're the answer.
 
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RE: Why No Civil C-17 Globemaster?

Mon Dec 13, 1999 3:50 pm

The C-17's civilian counterpart was called the MD-17 and was the same aircraft with a few differences - like the engines. I can't remember what was different but they were different.... (mind going...)

The reason the MD-17 was scrapped is because, as correctly mentioned, the AN-124 is as good in terms of capabilities of a civilian freighter.

The main customer for the MD-17 was targeted as Lufthansa Cargo, but they didn't pull thru, altho they did stay with MDC - they bought the MD-11F instead - a civilian aircraft with the biggest cargo capacity in the world. (greater than the 747.)
 
mish1234
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Tue Dec 14, 1999 5:13 am

I`m pretty sure that the C-17 wont go civil.
It cost like twice or 3 times as much as it does for a reg. civil airliner. (well mabye I dunno) But Im pretty sure that every military aircraft is darn expresive.
Now dont forget the fuel cost for the airline..
Dont forget the cargo.. dont forget the seats ...
dont forget that the wing spang cant be larger than a Boeing 747-400 that goes for Airbus 3XX to u know.
But I would fly on one if it did go CIVIL (C-17)
ANyways good topic
 
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DLMD-11...

Tue Dec 14, 1999 7:11 am

I would check your sources on the cargo capacity of the MD-11. The 747 outclasses the MD-11 in cargo tonnage and volume capacity. Check the Boeing web site.

The 747 has a capacity of approx. 270,000 pounds.

I 'm not sure of the MD-11 but I can assure you it doesn't come close.
 
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RE: DLMD-11...

Tue Dec 14, 1999 10:11 am

I'm not certain of numbers either but I'm pretty sure that the 747F can hold more cargo than the MD-11F. One of the reasons the MD-11F was popular was becuase some carriers felt the 747F was too big.

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