Tom in NO
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Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 2:46 am

I'm having another one of my senior moments here, they seem to be more frequent these days  Smile. Here's the question:

Which gates did Texas International operate out of at DFW from when the airport opened in 1974 til the Continental merger in 1982?

Thanks for the info.

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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:24 am

I thought DFW opened in 1978?

Good Question though..
 
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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:33 am

I would bet Terminal B/2W
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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:41 am

I found this on the web from the DFW Competition Plan:

JOINT OCCUPANCY OF TERMINAL COMPLEXES
During the initial planning and development of the First Phase of the Airport, the
Signatory Airlines and the Board contemplated that Braniff would use and occupy Terminal
Complex 2W, Ozark and Texas International would use and occupy Terminal Complex 2E,
American would use and occupy Terminal Complex 3E, Continental, Eastern and Frontier would
use and occupy Terminal Complex 4W, and Delta would use and occupy Terminal Complex 4E.
Subsequently by letters of agreement, dated May 20, 1971 and August 2, 1971, the parties
agreed to defer the construction of Terminal Complex 4W and provide for the temporary
accommodation of Continental, Eastern and Frontier (hereinafter in this Exhibit F collectively
called the "Relocating Airlines") by those Signatory Airlines not theretofore assigned to use and
occupy Terminal Complex 4W, pending the future construction and completion of adequate
terminal facilities elsewhere at the Airport for the use and occupancy of the Relocating Airlines.
Accordingly, Continental has been accommodated at Terminal Complex 4E in areas previously
assigned to Delta, Eastern has been accommodated at Terminal Complex 3E in areas
previously assigned to American, and Frontier has been accommodated at Terminal Complex
2E in areas previously assigned to Ozark (American, Delta and Ozark being hereinafter in this
Exhibit F collectively called the "Receiving Airlines").
 
Tom in NO
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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:49 am

Milemaster:
Actual opening date was January 14, 1973.

AA61hvy:
I had thought of 2W as well, but didn't BN have the whole concourse?

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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:09 am

Just remember that DFW were not full half circles when it opened so there were fewer gates per terminal
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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:10 am

I guess my reference from the DFW Competition Plan must not be accurate, huh?
 
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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:14 am

From Goeingboeing's reference, it looks like TI was in 2E with OZ and FL. Is there any reference to how many gates TI had at 2E? Must have been most of them as OZ and FL had limited DFW service in those days.

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Goeingboeing: thanks for the reference.
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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:26 am

GoingBoeing your reference is accurate. Braniff occupied all of 2W (gates 1-24, I believe.) Ozark and Frontier occupied gates 1-7 in 2E and Texas International had Gates 8-19. AA occupied almost all of 3E (gates 1-16). I know that Eastern had Gate 9 in 3E and possibly Gate 8. Continental occupied the first 5 gates in 4E and Delta had the remaining gates (up to Gate 19, I think.)

When AA began construction prior to opening their hub in June 1981, some additional Gates were built at the end of 2E for American and the 800 foot long skywalk was built connecting 2E to the rest of AA's gates in 3E.

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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:33 am

Mike and GB:
Thanks for the info guys. I was looking at a 1979 TI route map at http://www.airchive.com which was where my curiosity came from.

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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 5:01 am

This doesn't really pertain to your original question, Tom, but I did want to mention that AA's Terminal 3E, when it originally opened, had a unique feature not found in the other terminals.

The other terminals all had extensive seating areas at each gate. AA did not. The corridors leading to the gates in 3E were actually a lot narrower than they are today and the floor was wood parquet overlaid with red carpet as can be seen in this old photos. (Sorry about the quality, but they were taken 25 years ago with a cheap camera.)

Note: I don't think geocities allows remote linking of images, so you may have to copy and paste the URL into your browser to see the photo.

http://www.geocities.com/charmsdad/Airportpics2.jpg

The above photo shows the corridor that led to the gate. As you can see other than a few padded benches along the windows there was no seating at all in the gate areas.

Instead, AA had two HUGE departure lounges each capable of accomodating 1000 people. One Departure Lounge was at about Gates 3, 4, and 5 and the other departure longe was at about Gates 9, 10, and 11.

Below is an overview of one of the departure lounges taken from the topof the stairs that led to the Admiral's Club.

http://www.geocities.com/charmsdad/Airportpics1.jpg

On the right side of the picture, you can see the big Flight Arrivals/Departure Board (No TV monitors).

Here is a picture of the same Departure Lounge when it was a little busier and at the far end you can see the staircase that led up to the Admiral's Club where I took the second photo from.

http://www.geocities.com/charmsdad/Airportpics12.jpg

I believe AA did away with the huge departure lounges and widened Terminal 3E and added seating at each gate as part of their reconstruction prior to opening their hub.

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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 5:13 am

Interesting pictures, Mike. BTW, the links worked fine for me, popped right up. My first trip through AA's DFW hub was in May of 1982, and I can't recall if AA had yet made the interior changes to their terminal. Those two large seating areas would probably have meant some pretty serious crowds at times.

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RE: Texas International Gates At DFW

Wed Jul 16, 2003 6:24 am

DFW has changed a little bit since then!
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