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Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:15 am

In this article, the author claims "The airline, which once operated nine fleet types, will be at three fleet types with the retirement of the MD-80"

Isn't this wrong? Doesn't Continental operate the 777, 767, 757, 737 and MD-80? Take away the MD-80 and that leaves 4, not 3.

 
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:16 am

757/767 are considered 1 fleet type at Continental for some reason.
 
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:21 am

I never could understand why they considered the two a common type. I am assuming its because the flight deck boys are qualified for both. Still doesn't make sense as they are two different types.
 
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:22 am

The 757/767 systems are considered 1 fleet type for GOOD reason!!
 
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RE: Continuity Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:43 am

Don't they have a lot of part commonality (757-767) and aren't cockpits are basically the same?
 
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:46 am

I never understood this myself. Trying to put the 752 and 764 in the same fleet type!? Maybe the similarities include everything but the skin!?

Anyone know why CO does this?
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:49 am

I suppose then that European airlines such as AirFrance and Lufthansa that operate the 319, 320 and 321 should classify the 3 types as 3 in 1, right?
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:52 am

The cockpits of the 744 and 777 are strikingly similar as well. Should they be classified as 1 type as well?
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:56 am

Actually, Bmacleod, they airlines that operate the A32X series do classify them as one fleet type because they are. The A318, A319, A320, and A321 are basically the same a/c of differing stretches. Much like the 737-600, 737-700, 737-800 and 737-900.

But the 757 and 767 are different, at least to the eye.

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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:58 am

The handling differences of the 744 and 777 alone would warrant a different type classification.

The 757 and 767 were codeveloped, share extreme parts commonality, and a common type rating.

Its also reasonable to call A330s and A340s the same fleet.

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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:01 am

"Its also reasonable to call A330s and A340s the same fleet."

This is another good example.

And, yes the 757/767 were codeveloped, but why the same fleet type?

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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:04 am

It isnt just Continental that considers them one fleet type. Look up profiles of pilots on here like rick767, clearly he flies both and is type rated for them both.
 
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:09 am

I think all airlines that operate both the 757 and 767 consider them a single type, with pilots that can fly either a 757 or 767.

Both the 757 and 767 were developed on the same time, and were meant to incorporate a high degree of commonality (something strangely enough people wrongly assume Airbus to have "created").

I think one of the people to best talk about this is 777gk, a CO 757/767 pilot. Perhaps when he checks in on this site he will post his thoughts.
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:12 am

I thought the type rating covered both the 757 and 767 regardless if you fly both?Probably wrong though.
The 330 and 340 can be done with 1 pilot pool but needs a brief conversion course from 1 to the other and vice versa.
 
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:20 am

It's not that simple for pilots to just "switch" from a A330-A340, one's a two engine aircraft the other four.
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:22 am

Isn't the conversion course a 3 day affair?

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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:42 am

The 757/767 family is 1 type as you are checked out and given a dual type rating. This is done in most instances to keep crew hours low on both types.
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:56 am

At UPS our 757-200 and 767-300ER are considered one fleet type. Our crews can fly either of the aircraft. However, a friend of mind says that he usually stays on the 763 on his schedule. I'm not sure if other crewmembers have the same experiences or not.

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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:05 am

Still, the two aircraft are different types, and are of differing classes.

The 757 is a stretch narrowbody, while the 767 is a medium widebody. The 757-300 is about 20%-30% smaller (by seat count) than the largest 767, the 767-400. Even the 757-200 and 767-200 have up to 20% difference in overall seat count (and the 757-200 in 2-class configuration can actually carry more passengers than a typical 3-class 767-200). And that's just one characteristic. Let's ignore engines, body and wing structure, overall volume of space, and other factors.

In any event, I understand that they have a lot of commonality, but I would still regard them as separate aircraft.
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:34 am

he 757-300 is about 20%-30% smaller (by seat count) than the largest 767, the 767-400. Even the 757-200 and 767-200 have up to 20% difference in overall seat count (and the 757-200 in 2-class configuration can actually carry more passengers than a typical 3-class 767-200). And that's just one characteristic. Let's ignore engines, body and wing structure, overall volume of space, and other factors.

Using this [il]logic... one could conclude that the 736 and 739 are different types as well  Insane
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:02 pm

If you can be dual-rated, it's one fleet type. End of story.
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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:07 pm

The governments of the ruling nations (USA with FAA and EU with JAA) consider them one type of airplane, and that's good enough for me.

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RE: Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:28 pm

It's really weird. No one in these forums ever brings up the common rating between the B737-300/400/500 and the B737-Next Gen.
Aircraft aren't classified as common types because of the body shapes (you'd be surprised how many people in this forum probably believe that).

Continental flies 2 versions of the B767: the -200 and -400.
The -200 is bascially a widebody 757. There should be no debate as to whether the B757-200/300 and B767-200/300 are common types.
The debate arrises when the B767-400 is mentioned. The B767-400, is still a 767 systemwise. The flightdeck displays are different. But the overhead is the same as a B767-200. The method at which information is processed is different as well. (Data Concentrator Units replace EICAS computers) and Display Processing Computers replace Symbol generators).
But all of this should sound familiar. The B737 Next Gen displays are much different than the B737-300/500, but its overhead is the same.
The method in which information is processed is different (DEUs perform many, many functions, but essentially it replaces the symbol generators).

A crew that jumps from a B757 to a B767 has the same minimum transition as crew going from a B737-300 round-dial to a B737-800.

See my point??

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