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JFK Questions!

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:17 pm

I have only flown in and out of JFK twice in my life so I don't really know too much about it. I just have a few questions to see if I can get the story down. I would be neat to know more about JFK because of the history. Thank You!

I know that TWA built that awesome looking terminal 5 back in the day, and that it has remained empty since the AA takeover. Are there any plans for what they might do with it?

I know that Pan Am used to have a HUGE operation out of JFK and that Delta took over their routes at JFK. What terminal did Pan Am have? Did Delta take that terminal when they shut down? and is it the same one they are using today?

When did American come along and open up such a big hub in JFK? and have they always used the terminal that they are in now?

Did United have a bigger operation out of JFK at one point and what happened? HAve they always shared that same terminal with British Airways?

Where did jetBlue's terminal come from?

I know that Tower Air had a hub in JFK. Where did they operate out of?

I know I asked many questions. Thanks in advance for any answers! Just curious about an airport that I don't know too much about!  Smile
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RE: JFK Questions!

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:37 pm

I was there today infact..went down to drop a friend. I was in terminal 4 and they have made it much nicer then what it used to be...its a great airport for spotting widebodies and international planes. But i wish i could answer half your questions.....good luck
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RE: JFK Questions!

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:29 pm

Tower Air had it's own terminal called Terminal 33 or something- It was way off from all the other terminals at the airport (if it could be called a terminal, it was an old hangar converted into a termial).
JetBlue's terminal is Terminal 6 which TWA built for it's domestic ops at JFK- it later became Pan Am2's terminal .
Yes UA used to have bigger ops at JFK at one point - for the past couple of years they have flown out of Terminal 7 sharing the space with BA- but they also used terminal 6 for their transcon flights to SFO and LAX.
I believe the Pan Am Worldport used to be in Terminal 3 and yes Delta took over it when Pan Am went under,
About TWA's terminal 5 their have been plans about that terminal but nothing has been made official - it's a city landmark so it will be there for the time being.
I hope I have provided you with some useful info, I answered it to the best of my knowledge.
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RE: JFK Questions!

Wed Jul 16, 2003 5:08 pm

Here's some information about the history of the terminals at JFK

Terminal 1- was the site of Eastern Airline's Terminal from 1959-1991. It was torn down to make way for a new terminal in 1994. The new terminal was opened in 1998 to house Air France, Lufthansa, JAL, Korean Air and other carriers.

Terminal 2- was originally built in 1962 to house Delta and Northwest (also used by Braniff International), in the 80s it became Pan Am's domestic terminal. After Pan Am folded it became Delta's domestic terminal.

Terminal 3- Pan Am's worldport opened in 1960 and was greatly expanded in 1971. It became Delta's in 1991 after they acquired Pan Am's Transatlantic Routes, they subsequently refurbished the terminal in 1994.

Terminal 4- Opened in 2001 and replaced the International Arrivals building which had stood here since 1957.

Terminal 5- From 1962-2001 this was the TWA Flight Center. Today it stands empty and there are no plans for the forseeable future.

Terminal 6- Designed by I.M. Pei, this terminal was inaugurated in 1969 for National Airlines, it became TWA's domestic terminal at JFK. By the late 90s TWA had downsized dramatically and JetBlue moved in. The terminal had also been used by Pan Am II in 1997.

Terminal 7- British Airways' Terminal opened in 1970. The airline was refurbished in 1991 to accomodate United Airlines which had just moved out of Terminal 9.

Terminal 8- American Airlines International and Caribbean, this was the original AA terminal and was completed in 1960.

Terminal 9- American Airlines Domestic. This was United's terminal from 1959 unil 1991.
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RE: JFK Questions!

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:04 pm

In addition to the carriers that cooperated to build Terminal One - AF, JL, KE and LH - the terminal also serves AT, AZ, BQ, CA, OA, OS, TK and VS.

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RE: JFK Questions!

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:09 pm

There were plans for both of TWA's former Terminals (5 & 6) that included tearing down Terminal 6 and the gate areas of Terminal 5 and building one large terminal that would incorporate the core of the historic T-5.

The planned terminal was to house UAL, B6 and TWA, this plan has been shelved because UAL cut their JFK schedule drastically and now have consolidated in Terminal 7 with British Airways. TWA went under, and the Port Authority is not going to spend Billions for B6 because they have not been around that long. And the track record for up starts is iffy at best.

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RE: JFK Questions!

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:12 pm

Tower Air started ops using the old Terminal One (with Int'l arrivals at the IAB) before moving over to their own Terminal.


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RE: JFK Questions!

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:28 pm

DL still uses the former Pan Am World Gateway Terminals 2 & 3.

AA built their own terminal T-8 in the Early 1960s, later in the early 1990s they took over Terminal 9 (the former UAL/NWA terminal). AA is in the process of tearing down Terminals 8 & 9 to build a new mega terminal, however due to economic conditions and cost cutting by AA that terminal project is being scaled back and construction slowed. It should open sometime after 2006.

The new terminal is being built between Terminals 8 & 9, and in front.

UAL used to have their own terminal , terminal 9. Then in the late 1980s they moved in with British Airways at Terminal 7, at one point UAL was operating alot of flights from JFK so they moved their LAX and SFO flights to Terminal 6. After 9-11 UAL drew down their operations big time at JFK, now they only serve LHR, LAX , SFO, AA), Japan">NRT. Prior to 9-11 they flew to Caracas, Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, Seattle and Hong Kong (briefly).

Jetblue operates out of Terminal 6, it originally was the National Airlines (1960s) building, after Pan Am bought National TWA took over the terminal and used it as their Domestic Terminal.

Tower Air operated out of a hangar with a gate or two attached, very basic.
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RE: JFK Questions!

Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:54 pm

The last proposal I saw for T5 is to keep just the central part of the original building, tear out the gates, and build an entirely new terminal behind it, either using the remaining part of the original Eero Saarinen building as an entryway and shops (and perhaps some ticketing space), or using the remnant of the Saarinen building as a conference centre and not having it connected to the new T5 at all. Last version I saw discussed had T6 remaining as-is, but connected to the new T5 with a covered walkway.

There is a lot of pressure on the Port Authority to keep the groundside of the original terminal in use. The Port Authority's website doesn't mention T5 at all under "JFK Redevelopment Program" on their website.
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RE: JFK Questions!

Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:00 pm

The Port Authority is not going to do anything with Terminal 5 or 6 right now, there are too many terminals and too many gates as it is now.

AA is reducing their terminal project, if anyone needed more gates they could just become a tennent with AA. Also Terminal 4 is designed to incorporate expansion of it's concourses.

In this climate there's no chance of the proposal for the new terminal behind T-5 going foward, that plan was dropped in '00 before 9-11.
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