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Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:03 pm

Why can't we do this in the U.S???


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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:10 pm

I say its a security risk and a safety risk and you know how lawsuit happy americans are.
 
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:14 pm

Public paranoia?

As a European, I feel really sorry for our American spotter friends. At least at our airports it is now again possible to get pictures from visitor's decks, airport perimeter fences and from within the terminals (at least at most of the airports).

What terrorist would be so dumb and try to attack an airplane from a publicly visible and controlled place anyway?
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:45 pm

So when we go to the US, will I be alright to take photos from the departure gates etc?

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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:14 pm

It really shouldn't be a problem, but you're better off remaining low key about it.
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:43 pm

Isn't it a shame that as Americans we cannot enjoy our hobby as much as other people throughout the world, when we are supposedly the land of the free?

I wonder if some airport has thought about building viewing terraces here in the US, like our European counter-parts? Maybe even charge an admission? I bet they could recoup their money in a couple of years.........

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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:45 pm

Because to them, we are terrorists, or atleast suspected terrorists.
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:36 am

At the old DTW terminal there was a viewing platform and there was a minimum charge to go up there, it was over the C gates and I believe the entrance is still there, look for the steps right before security and you should see it, of course blocked off.
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:41 am

Did Pudge Rodriguez take that picture? I thought he was supposed to be playing for the Marlins.
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:38 am

I wonder if some airport has thought about building viewing terraces here in the US, like our European counter-parts? Maybe even charge an admission?

Interesting idea. Assuming the price was reasonable (say... something like $9-15 for an all-day spotting pass), I'd say there are many who'd willingly pay up for the privelege to spot again in appropriate airport owned areas. Such prices wouldnt be all that much different from daily parking prices  Big grin
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:41 am

If, after clearing security checkpoints, you can get ONTO an aircraft, then why in the world would it be a problem to get NEAR an aircraft? What can you do from the tarmac that you could not do from the ground? Throw your camera into an engine??? (I am referring solely to security risk here. I understand the obvious safety risks.)
 
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:42 am

Does MSP have an observation deck? I'll be passing through there next week and want to visit. I thought I saw a photo here taken from the deck.
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:47 am

That depends Boeing 757/767, do you consider the food court an observation deck?  Big grin
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:56 am

Wow that would be awesome if we could do that in the us, but we are all looking for the easy way out.
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:06 am

Boeing757/767. Yes, there is an observation deck. Perfect views of 30R/12L. It's ABOVE the food area, it's nice. It has seats. Since it's in the gate area, you'll need an airline ticket in order to get to it! I flew June 21st MSP-MDW-MSP, and I totally forgot about the observation deck! That was my bad! I fly AA to LGA on July 31st, so I'll make sure NOT to miss it this time! Before 9-11, I used to go down to MSP, go through security and stay in the observation deck for hours! I had many fun times there!

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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:31 am

As far as I understand, this is some special event but not what you can do at any European airport any time - so I don't see the point of "Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?" title at all... Normally you can't do it at any airport. You just can't be allowed to the airfield - and this has nothing to do with "public paranoia" (a very smart remark, I'd say...) as this is what we have everywhere since at least 70's. BTW, any time I asked permission to videotape an aircraft in the US, I was allowed to do it at once. Last time I tried to do the same in Europe, I was not. Sure, there might be a lot of opposite examples, but in general it looks pretty much the same here and there... So, again, such a picture with such a title look quite senseless...
 
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:34 am

In addition to what CO said, the observation deck at MSP (although not on airport maps) is in the C concourse. According to the plug below, it is C1 to be exact. It is near some restaurants, but I would consider it more of a gate area than a food area. Anyways have fun, enjoy the many opportunities!



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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:47 am

RIX, ramp tours are continuously available at various airports all over Europe - just need to pay the fee, and off you go on the bus.

Are there ramp tours in the US?
 
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:34 am

Hey, I remember they used to have a "Run the Runway" fundraiser at DFW for United Way. Do they still do it?
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:47 am

Just one example, taken from the FRA website:

"45 minute tour of the apron, during which there is plenty for you to experience. We will drive out with you past the terminals straight to the runways. Here you can see from up close how aircraft take off and land. Then we continue on to the freight area. There we will show you just what we transport day in, day out to the four corners of the world. From foodstuffs to automobiles and live animals, you will see everything being loaded that is needed on the other side of the globe.

Prices

Adults: 6,00 Euro

Minimum rate* 120,00 Euro

Youths up to age 15, disabled persons, students: 4,00 Euro

Minimum rate * The minimum rate is charged for groups with fewer than 20 persons.


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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:59 am

At the recent Airliners International Convention in Columbus, one had to show a current government-issued picture I.D. just to register to take a tour of a freight facility, and, likewise it is now a requirement to get on the bus from the Air Force Museum at Wright-Pat to go over to the Presidential Aircraft Display. Security gone wild. Regards...Jack
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:16 am

I think the reason is that we have so many major airports than European countries do. It's fine for Germany to allow tours at FRA. But I don't think the US govt. is going to develop tours for LAX, JFK, MIA, DTW, ORD, MSP, PIT, DFW, MSY, and on and on.

I don't think we have the availability to do that here.
 
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:30 am

IAH has a tour, but I'm not really sure how extensive it is.
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:49 am

Touching on an previously mentioned. I think that it would be great if that here, some airports if they so chose, could open up specific area's for spotting. Spotters go through security just like anyone else does, and after that were all set. So let them through up a security camera to supervise us, its not like an underpaid security agent staring at the monitors will notice one more camera. Its a damn shame that we cant do this anymore, with out worrying about getting carted off to be questioned or kicked off airport property. It stinks now having to drive around OUTSIDE airports trying to view and take photos of aircraft. - 767ALLTHEWAY
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RE: Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:03 pm

sju have a deck call Aeroparque, and they charge a fee.