AndrewAir
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Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:00 am

Hi,

I am going to MNL from SFO on July 29. I will be flying on Japan Airlines and was wonder if anyone know how I can get a ride on the jumpseat during takeoff or landing? I know airliners in the US do not allow this but since its JL and i'm flying to Asia I thought it might be different.


Thanks in advance,

AMc
 
goboeing
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:20 am

I don't know if it's permitted in the countries or airlines that you're flying in/on. But here's what I did and recommend you try. I flew BA from PHL to LHR and back. Write a letter before you go to the airport to the captain expressing your interest in aviation and say that you'd be very appreciative of a visit to the cockpit during the flight if it can be arranged. Give it to the flight attendant at the door and ask them to take it up front as soon as possible. I did this, and during the welcome aboard announcement, the same f/a came back to my seat and said "follow me." I ended up sitting jumpseat in this brand new 777 from pre-pushback to an hour later past Cape Cod. It was awesome. I did the same thing on the way back, and they let me up at cruise.

Good luck, and enjoy the trip!

Nick
 
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:22 am

That won't happen on Aeroflot..
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elal106
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RE: Goboeing

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:24 am

hey goboeing,

It is against BA's policy to allow anyone in the cockpit during the flight now. However i know there are a few airlines in asia that should still be allowing cockpit visits to passengers!!


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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:26 am

Try what Goboeing said, but a lot of airlines are now so security conscious you may get a no, it might be different if it was domestic flight, but this is international.

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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:27 am

That's really a shame. I'm glad I did that when I did then.

The weird thing is, when I was in England for a week, this was December 2000 and January 2001, a deranged passenger on a BA flight from LGW to Nairobi stormed the cockpit and had to be kept under control by the crew and some passengers. Two days later, I was let into the cockpit...that's why you need to let them know your a plane freak, not just some guy who want to look at all the colorful gauges.

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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:33 am

Goboeing,
That may have been true in the past, but you won't get a jumpseat ride on British Airways now, or any other UK airline for that matter!

I'm lucky, I work for an airline, I can still do it for duty travel on our own flights - that's about it. Aside from the airline's own staff, the only other people allowed to travel on an aircraft flightdeck under current UK rules are CAA officials, plus a very a couple of very specialist categories, for example representatives of the aircraft manufacturer for operational research etc...

Anyone else will require approval from the CAA and Board of Directors of the airline
- neither of whom will grant approval!

Regards
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:10 am

@ GoBoeing

some month ago I hade the same question on airliners.net.
You have given me the same tip as in your answer in this thread.

3 weeks ago, i had a flight on Iberia and two days before my flight I have written a letter. At the flight-day I have given the letter to the F.A. and as we begun to decent I was allowed to fly on the jumpseat. Starting from decent until docking at the boardingbridge.

Thank you for this great tip. That was my first jumpseat-flight!
 
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:13 am

Write a letter before you go to the airport to the captain expressing your interest in aviation and say that you'd be very appreciative of a visit to the cockpit during the flight if it can be arranged. Give it to the flight attendant at the door and ask them to take it up front as soon as possible.

That doesn't seem very smart now a days with security and stuff. I don't think handing a FA a letter is smart.

When you board, talk to the crew.

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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:19 am

Hey there,

In May of 2000, I flew LGW-BOS aboard Virgin Atlantic's 747-200, G-VZZZ .

I simply asked the stewardess while boarding if I could visit the cockpit, and she inquired with the captain.

A few minutes later, she invited me up to the flight deck.

I was able to sit up there from before pushback, all the way to cruise.

I must say that it was an experience like none other!!!

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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:45 am

Thanks for the tips. I will write a letter, hopefully it will work.


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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:00 am

Hate to pour cold water on your enthusiasm, but with Japan Airlines, unless you can truly get something pre-arranged, I'd say your chances are close to zero. Even before 9/11, I asked a few times for flight deck visits on my JL flights AFTER we've parked at the gate, and the answer was always "no".

Apparently, the clampdown came as a result of an in-flight drama (in 98 or 99) on the flight deck of an All Nippon Airways domestic flight, where a visitor went berserk and stabbed the captain (who eventually died). Thankfully, the plane landed safely with the F/O in control and the attacker subdued. After that, there was a total ban on ALL flight deck visitors on all Japanese carriers. Can't imagine that they will relax the rule one bit, especially after 9/11, and Japanese are renowned for doing things by the book.

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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:37 am

>>>"I will be flying on Japan Airlines and was wonder if anyone know how I can get a ride on the jumpseat during takeoff or landing?

No chance in hell. As was stated above, unfortunate events led to the cockpit door being secured during boarding and de-planing. A permission slip from your mother won't cut it either.
 
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:20 pm

So I guess I have no chance to get a jumpseat ride. But would I still be able to go into the cockpit during boarding and de-planing?

Also I will be flying on Thai from MNL to Bangkok. Does Thia have the same policly as JL, no visits?




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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:37 pm

When I was on my way from DEN to LGA I was invited to ride jumpseat by the flight crew. They were both graduates of the school I was attending so that might be the reason why. When I was younger I got to visit the cockpit of a LOT 767 many times inflight. But that was before 9/11. As a pilot I understand the rule. I have tried recently but to no avail.  Crying
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:31 pm

>>>"So I guess I have no chance to get a jumpseat ride. But would I still be able to go into the cockpit during boarding and de-planing?"

No. The doors are secured. JAL crews follow strict guidelines to the letter.

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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:08 pm

hmmm..

do you think this letter thing will work on alitalia? i'm flying them soon (md80) so i was wondering...

anyone jumpseated alitalia?
 
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:16 pm

I know that with US carriers there will be a definite NO. Only pilots of the carrier flying the trips are allowed to jumpseat.
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:05 am

I'm flying on Air Canada (domestic) in a month, no chance there either I guess...what if I showed them my license? Has anyone ever just given the crew there camera asking them to take a few pics if you're not allowed up?
 
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:01 am

No chance with AC, at least by their policy. Only deadheading flight crew are allowed to ride jump now, not even spouses of employees can go up. Even then it is Captain's discretion. Good luck, but don't get your hopes up on any airline unless you work for them.
 
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:15 am

I recently flew to Paris and back on AF and got a jumpseat from boarding time to deplaSning time on both flights. As I boarded I gave my business card to the F.A. and asked if I could say Hi to the crew. As I was preparing to seat down, she came back and said that the captain was inviting me to join him in the flight deck during the all flight. And the same thing hapened on my return flight. This also happens on my flights with other Portuguese airliners. And no, I don't work for an airline or anything related to them.

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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 3:38 am

That's what I was afraid of... :-( Anyways, thanks for the reply.
 
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:08 am

Flightlevel, unfortunately it is a Transport Canada regulation, so you wont be able to get in there. I heard from most people that you had to be a pilot with the airline to fly in the jumpseat, however, I know two different individuals on the ground, one who works for Westjet and another who worked for Royal and now works for the GTAA as a ground controller, and both recently got jumpseat rides. They did know the pilots well though.

Luis, I'm flying to LIS next week and I really wanted to fly on SATA because I thought maybe there was a chance I would get to visit the flight deck and possibly even sit in the jumpseat for part of the flight. Too bad I couldn't get the dates I wanted, and I'm flying on Air Transat, where I know I can't visit the flight deck.

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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:43 am

Hi!

Does anyone know if SWISS is one of those that is really open to let people visit the cockpit? Maybe our swiss friends would know that!
About TAP, I know that these great crews always let people visit the cockpit, it's interesting when TAP was the first airline in the world to have an airplane hijacked in 1961, a L1049G CS-TLF comming from Marocco to Lisbon was forced to make a low flypast over LIS were the hijackers spread fliers against the regime and then flew back to Marocco again.
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:13 am

CV990, I did not know about that incident! If only hijackings could be like that these days!
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:35 am

I don't see how giving the F/A at the door is suspicious in any way.

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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:42 am


Hi!

Yes, that was long time ago. The pilot was from the first batch TAP sent to BOAC in late 40's, Captain Marcelino, one of the best TAP pilots. When TAP received their first L1049 Cpt. Marcelino was in Burbank to receive trainning and flew to LIS ( actually TAP flew the first 2 L1049's CS-TLA and CS-TLB ) the delivery flight.
It was a quite well succeeded hijacking. They got the cockpit, asked Cpt. Marcelino to de-pressurize the plane, they open the emergency window the Super Constellation had over the wing and spread the fliers over Marques de Pombal Square. Before that the crew asked LIS tower to make a low fly-past over LIS and the tower gave the OK!!!! Cpt. Marcelino was quite astonished with that OK but....! After the police got the information about the hijacking they contacted Portuguese Air Force so they could chase the Super Constellation, that's when Cpt. Marcelino stayed in low flying to avoid the radars, the Air Force took of with a pair of North American F-86E Sabres trying to catch the airliner but they never did, the plane was already in Marocco!!!
I had the chance to meet this Capt. latter and he was a god friend of my father.
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:12 am

Does anyone know if SWISS is one of those that is really open to let people visit the cockpit? Maybe our swiss friends would know that!

I've tried before and the answer is after we land and even there the lady talked to the captain. If you have a kid they will let you in though (not only do they cry, pay less but they also get to go to the place i would want to go to). I will try tomorrow as i'm flying on gva-nce with swiss, i'll try and type a letter before flying.

Tim
 
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:27 am


Hi!

Thanks Tim, I'll try that, actually I have two kids but they don't cry anymore....but maybe they'll let me go with them and sneak around!!! I'll be flying LAX-ZRH in the brand new SWISS 343 latter this year!
Regards and I wait for yr. report.
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RE: Jumpseat Rides

Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:55 am

AndrewAir, I think TT737FO answered your questions very well. All his answers tells the correct situation. Just to add a little insight, A JAL 767 captain let one of his friends have a quick look into the cockpit inflight and he was suspended from flying. ( for few months or permanetly , I am not sure). They do take the security very very seriously with absolutely no exceptions.

JAL allowed tightly screened cockpit visits inflight untill Aug 99 (As prev. mentioned) when ANA 747 was hijacked. It was Japanese Civil aviation Bureau that prohibited any cockpit visit (In air or on ground) since then for all Japanese Airlines. 9-11 made it even more serious. These are very sad times for true aviation fans.