Danny
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Any Chance For Spirit In Buffalo?

Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:58 pm

Why does Spirit does not fly to upstate NY? Any chance the will?

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richierich
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RE: Any Chance For Spirit In Buffalo?

Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:09 am

Probably not with JetBlue there.
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DCA-ROCguy
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RE: Any Chance For Spirit In Buffalo?

Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:12 am

It's unlikely, Danny, even though it would be great to have another low-fare carrier in Upstate NY. Spirit today flies mostly leisure routes like Florida, to which Upstate NY has low-fare service, and their DTW home base isn't developed into a hub yet.

--The only Florida city to which Upstate cities seem to reliably support nonstop service is MCO. All four medium-size airports currently have a low-fare nonstop on that route (BUF/WN, ROC/FL, SYR/Transmeridian, ALB/2x WN). BUF could probably support a second nonstop, and alone of the Upstate cities BUF could possibly support an FLL nonstop. So mayyyybe they'd enter BUF, but it seems to me unlikely.

--DTW doesn't have enough O & D density to Upstate NY to support a second carrier on top of Northwest. If Spirit had a regional affiliate, like ATA does, maybe they could sneak two or three Saabs in daily to each market and make money. But Spirit only has big one-class MD-80's. They'd need to run at least two dailies--an AM and PM--to be worthwhile to business travelers. That would be over 300 seats, an awful lot to fill on O & D alone. Maybe once they build up a hub operation at DTW and can get some connecting pax, it's a possibility.

There was a detailed thread a couple of weeks ago based around a Detroit Free Press article saying that Spirit wants to grow a low-fare hub operation at Detroit. I don't have time to search it now, but you may want to look it up. Hope this helps!

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zrb2
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RE: Any Chance For Spirit In Buffalo?

Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:29 am

Let's face it, Buffalo-Niagara Int'l has hit the trifecta in having service from Southwest, JetBlue and AirTran. Just a few short years ago, BUF was in the top 5 of most expensive cities to fly to/from. Now I believe they are in the top 5 - 10 least expensive cities.
It would be nice to land Spirit but I doubt it. I'm wondering if DL and AA will ever restore mainline jets to the city? I'd also like to see AirTran or JB beef up there schedules someday. On my wish list?... nonstop BUF-IAD on a low fare carrier. I think WN can be challenged from the other side of Metro Washington.
 
Danny
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RE: Any Chance For Spirit In Buffalo?

Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:39 am

Yes, that suprises me that while Delta downgraded all ATL connections to Comair CRJ's, AirTran has increased their connections to 4 per day. Why would Delta give away their marketshare so easily?

The same with American. ERJ-145 seems very small as for ORD connection. I flied recently few times on that route with United on A320 and B737 and they were always 100% full.

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Danny
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RE: Any Chance For Spirit In Buffalo?

Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:49 am

Just a small update - just read:

Delta Connection (Jul18, 2003)

Will increase frequency from Atlanta to Buffalo from 7 to 8 flights a day on 01Sep03. The new flight will be operated by Comair using a Canadair RJ.

Will increase frequency from Atlanta to Rochester from 6 to 7 flights a day on 01Sep03. The new flight will be operated by Comair using a Canadair RJ.
 
zrb2
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RE: Any Chance For Spirit In Buffalo?

Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:56 am

Thanks for the info.

I believe the simple reason for the CRJ's is competition. With AirTran driving the fares down, DL was no longer making money using the big jets to ATL. The smaller jets cost less to operate and they can match fares more often.
You can still go to Syracuse to catch a Delta MD-80 to ATL, but compared to BUF & ROC you'll be paying on average $150 more for the privelage.

By the way Danny....keep the pictures coming from our favorite WNY airports. Good job.

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