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Sonic Cruiser -- Still Hope?

Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:45 pm

I bought the book "Boeing Widebodies" last night and it states that the Sonic Cruiser program is not dead per se, but is on the back burner for a while. I thought that the 7E7 (I refuse to call it Dream Liner) is "THE" program at Boeing right now and that the SC was dead. Is this true?
The book was published in early 2003.
 
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RE: Sonic Cruiser -- Still Hope?

Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:49 pm

Still hope? I think a single word can answer that: No

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RE: Sonic Cruiser -- Still Hope?

Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:06 pm

Teahan's right. I'm not too optimistic about the so-called 'Dreamliner' either. If Airbus bring out a similar machine but with cockpit commonality with the A32x and A330/340, it'll sell about as many aircraft as the 767-400.
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RE: Sonic Cruiser -- Still Hope?

Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:52 pm

When was that book published?
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RE: Sonic Cruiser -- Still Hope?

Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:10 pm

Cedarjet, out of curiosity, why are you pessimistic about the (ugh) Dreamliner? I'm sure you've explained yourself before, so please feel free to point me to your comments in a previous thread. I'd be interested to read them.

I personally think the Sonic Cruiser, while "back burner" would probably be generous, might yet make a come back. It's not like Boeing has burned the work they've put into it at this point. When engine or alloy technology, or the economics, or airline interest, or any number of factors are there, they already have a reasonable starting point from which to continue work. Now all those factors may never come to pass, or align in a way that might make the Sonic Cruiser feasible. But if they do, I think Boeing has a fair-to-good shot at capturing that niche of the market.
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RE: Sonic Cruiser -- Still Hope?

Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:44 pm

For now, the Sonic Cruiser it out of the question for Boeing.

Especially in light of the fact the 7E7 project (which is much more financially viable for Boeing) could with the right engines cruise as fast as Mach 0.89, which means it offers most of the time savings of the Sonic Cruiser in the first place.

I think we may see the research on the Sonic Cruiser become the basis for a new airliner seating 200-225 pax capable of flying as fast as Mach 1.4-1.5 that will satisfy tomorrow's jet engine regulations and could fly as far as 7,000 nautical miles. Such plane could be in demand for long overwater routes such as LAX-PVG or JFK-LHR.
 
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RE: Sonic Cruiser -- Still Hope?

Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:16 am

Especially in light of the fact the 7E7 project *** could with the right engines cruise as fast as Mach 0.89

Contrary to popular belief, it's wing design not engine power, which is the general determinant of cruise speed
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RE: Sonic Cruiser -- Still Hope?

Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:01 am

Username: Teahan
"Still hope? I think a single word can answer that: No"

Really? By what means of clairvoyant insight have you determined this? Certainly the SC is highly unlikely in the near term, however beyond the next 10-15 years, assuming sustained air travel growth, there may indeed be a niche for a faster airplane, especially with business travelers. You can't rule out such a concept simply because current market conditions have caused it to be shelved for the time being.

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"Teahan's right. I'm not too optimistic about the so-called 'Dreamliner' either. If Airbus bring out a similar machine but with cockpit commonality with the A32x and A330/340, it'll sell about as many aircraft as the 767-400."

Again, it's impossible at this point to declare the 7E7 a non-starter, particularly if Boeing can meet the economics projections it claims. And even if Airbus can bring out a similar airplane, it will be AT LEAST several years behind Boeing in doing so by which time the 7E7 is likely to have a solid customer base. Since improved economics are what airlines want and need most, airlines should flock to this airplane like children did to the Pied Piper of Hamelin. No doubt they'll also buy the Airbus competitor when it eventually comes out but that will take time, during which I'd expect Airbus to keep trying to sell the A332 at reduced prices until it's free of the A380 overhead.



 
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RE: Sonic Cruiser -- Still Hope?

Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:05 am

If a mechanic at Boeing farts it makes the news here, and the press was pretty straightforward about the SonicCruiser: no go.

Are they going to permanently throw away all the work they did on designing the thing? Of course not. But I doubt we'll see the SonicCruiser built any time soon, if ever.
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