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G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:12 am

I've heard that this slogan has been removed from the side of G-VFOX. Have VS at long last accepted that the retirement will now happen in October ?
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:16 am

Read the legend of this pic :



Photo by: VS photo (Date: 00.07.2003)
Airline: Virgin Atlantic [G-VFOX]
Type: Airbus A340-600
Airport: United Kingdom London, Heathrow (LHR)
Comment: Bereits Geschichte ist diese Anspielung der Virgin auf die Außerdienststellung der Concorde, die auf zwei A340-600 zu sehen war. / Already history is this slogan recently applied to a couple of Virgin A340s. Whether BA had taken legal action is not known.

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:15 am

No, I don't think BA did anything, maybe Branson realised that smugness and gloating don't play well.
And that his Concorde plan is a pipe-dream, as Airbus told him 2 months ago.

 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Thu Jul 24, 2003 9:47 am

This slogan was an absolute disgrace! Branson should (but I'm certain isn't) be ashamed of himself!  Pissed
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:49 pm

It was placed on the a/c for the Biggin Hill airshow in which this a/c did a fly past. It wasn't intended to be a long term thing. It was just a matter of the a/c coming up for it's next hanger check for it to be removed.

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:59 pm

Leezyjet:
It still shouldn't have been there, short term or not, disgracing an a/c like the Concorde? I dont care who you are, thats just downright mean.
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:08 am

Furtureualpilot,

It's called Humour. Thats all it was just plain old British Humour, which SRB and VS is renowned for especially where BA is concerned.

It was in no way disgracing Concorde. It was disgracing BA not Concorde if you read it right.

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:37 am

The Slogan was cool, and funny! Maybe BA should do something bout it, hint hint.  Big grin

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:14 am

"It was disgracing BA not Concorde if you read it right" - ah, now I see. If that's the case, it's all right. Absolutely nothing wrong, just making an aircraft a tabloid - another "plain old Branson Humour".

"Maybe BA should do something bout it" - yes, to place a slogan like "VS can't keep it up either. Nor even has it" But it's too late - the guy suddenly realized it himself.
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:17 am

I love the idea of turning a plane into a tabloid - oh wait, Hooters, right?

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:26 am

Some people clearly don't undersand classic British humour.
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:42 am

Arsenal, I'm with you on that........ Big grin

A major part of British humour is based on taking th p**s out of people. Thats all that slogan was, taking the p**s out of BA.

If the RAF can keep a fleet of old VC-10's and Nimrods flying for all these years sine they went out of production, I'm sure there is something that could be done to keep Concorde flying. It's just that the parties involved are not willing to spend the cash or put in the effort to make it happen.

BA are big enough to be able to look after themselves if they really want to. The reason VS and Branson in particular enjoy taking the p**s out of BA is due to the fact that BA is an 'old school' airline that despite all the changes they are trying to make are still very 'stiff upper lip' in the way that they do things. It's this that Branson is taking the p**s out of.

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:02 am

"If the RAF can keep a fleet of old VC-10's and Nimrods flying for all these years..." - but somehow we see zero VC10s carrying passengers. Or, may be, the Virgin Dick wishes to get a few? "Some people clearly don't undersand classic British humour." - clearly, they don't. While some others clearly can't get basic facts and reasons repeated here in numerous threads... and it is still not over!
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:18 am

Branson run Concorde - don't make me laugh, because of AF and Airbus, BA cannot, and we know more about it than anyone.
He'd paint them in his shitty livery, then stick them in museums, anyway the price he's offered us is contemptible.
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 8:36 am

" but somehow we see zero VC10s carrying passengers."

The VC-10's do still carry passengers actually. They may not be fare paying members of the public, but passengers they still are and the fact is the old birds are still flying.

"While some others clearly can't get basic facts and reasons repeated here in numerous threads... and it is still not over!"

I've read all the posts about how Airbus are pulling the plug etc, how AF weren't interested/couldn't afford to keep them flying etc etc. But some people believe it's worth fighting for. Why should we just accept it just because BA and Airbus say so ?. If someone is prepared to spend the cash and do what it takes, why shouldn't they be given the chance ?. Yeah they might f*ck it up, but at least they tried to do something rather than just bury their head in the sand like most other people. What a differant place the world would be if when told something we all just accepted it and believed what we were being told rather then fighting for what we believed in.

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 8:41 am

Leezyjet:
My apologies, I did read it wrong!
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:15 am

BA should've painted "Branson couldn't keep Concorde up if he was God" on their Concs!  Laugh out loud

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:38 am

"The VC-10's do still carry passengers actually" - Leezyjet, you know what I mean. Of those VC10s still flying none is in regular airline service. Which doesn't prove anything by itself but shows that saying "old VC-10's... flying for all these years" has nothing to do with the topic either.

"But some people believe it's worth fighting for. Why should we just accept it just because BA and Airbus say so ?." - fighting whom? Windmills? "Airbus say so" - yes, Airbus say no support after October - how do you suggest to fight this? By writing cheap slogans on your aircraft? OK, but then, at least, write "Airbus can't keep it up" - why don't you? Did they tell him, "OK, we will support you - just get the aircraft from BA"? Plus, why isn't he trying to get the AF aircraft - right now, while technically at least some of them still can be brought back to the sky? Because he doesn't give a crap about keeping the bird flying. He is just using the situation to attack BA. BTW, you confirmed it yourself: "VS and Branson in particular enjoy taking the p**s out of BA". Here it is! (Says pretty much about the guy, BTW... enjoying "taking the p**s out" of somebody - good business for an adult - supposedly - person!) But some people just believe hype and slogans, not facts and arguments. Feel free to do so, but then don't cry, "they fooled me!!!" Oh, yes, but that's what you wanted...
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:03 pm

If the RAF can keep a fleet of old VC-10's and Nimrods flying for all these years sine they went out of production, I'm sure there is something that could be done to keep Concorde flying. It's just that the parties involved are not willing to spend the cash or put in the effort to make it happen.

Big difference is that BA is a publicly-traded company with a bottom line and can't be spending gobs of money to keep an, albeit cool yet ageing aircraft in the air. However, the RAF is an arm of the British government, and governments tend to have pockets a bit deeper when it comes to defence than an airline.

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:28 am

"He'd paint them in his shitty livery" - that's rich coming from a BA employee.
Those world tail designs were such a resounding success!!!!

Sir Richard does not need to spend half as much time having a dig at BA as they're doing a pretty good job of shooting themselves in the foot with unofficial strike action. It was nice of them to send extra passengers our way.

With the imminent launch of the Upper Class Suite it's only a matter of time before we look after more of BAs premium passengers.

If BA had been so offended by the slogan on G-VFOX they could have taken legal action. In the end they saw it for what it was - just a bit of harmless banter between old rivals.


 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:35 am

At least BA staff have a union to represent them.
Who liked the world tails, no one I know?
But BA makes mistakes, so do Virgin, but Virgin's PR is all about 'no bad news....ever'.
One day it will bite them.
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:49 am

We have a union as well. However what is the point of union representation when the staff decided to walk out anyway?

Nobody I know liked the world tails either which was my point exactly.

I agree that all companies make mistakes. Unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world. Surely the point of a PR department is to report the positives and not concentrate on the negatives.
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:01 am

Just to follow on from GDB's comments, alot of BA staff weren't too happy with the idea of the Utopia tail idea before it was ever implemented.

As for Concordes being operated in the slate grey/silver of Virgin, I thought all Concordes had to be predominately white for some technical reason.
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:02 am

Put it this way, Alistair Campbell looks to be looking for a new job soon, cannot think of a more suitable place for him than as Branson's PR man.
As to that walkout, it happened because some macho idiot thought it would look good to try to bypass the reps and discussions.
In this business it is a case of 'there for the grace of god go I', I'd not want to swap BA's problems for Virgin's if SIA pulled the plug.



 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:23 am

"Those world tail designs... We have a union as well..." - so, now it is about colors and union. With no word to insist the whole "I wanna get it!!!" story was any serious. Finally. Good!

...Still, when do we see another "Give them to Virgin!!!" thread here?..
 
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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 4:57 am

Lets not forget one thing, it was only a few months ago that Branson and Virgin were in a position that they were going to buy BA out, not just Concorde, the whole damn airline. Only reason it didn't go ahead was because the competition regulation wouldn't have allowed it.

BA then came back with some ridiculous claim that they were actually going to buy VS, which is technically not possible for them to do as they could only possibly buy SQ's shares (if they'd sell and thats not likely) and then they would still only have 49% and there is no way that Branson would ever sell his 51% to BA. How stoopid did that make them look ?.

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RE: G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:17 am

What? VS don't like rivals making statements just to annoy?
Get out the kitchen then.
Yeah right, he was going to buy BA, one slight problem with that, VS were in as deep shit as BA post Sept 11, but BA are somewhat more transparent with their financial details, so some of the mugs in the press swallowed it.