nygfan84
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Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:53 am

Ok i kind of have a problem with people posting airport codes all the time I know most of you know what they stand of as do I but I do not know at all some of these more obscure cities. I know all the major ones of course SFO,ORD, JFK, CDG, etc. but who knows some of these other ones? I dont have a problem with the airport code but could you guys maybe put the city in parentheses so some of us know what you are talking about in the posts. Thank You
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:56 am

Nygfan84-

First off, it's a little arrogant of you to dictate to everyone here how to post simply because you don't know an airport code.

Second...have you tried rolling your cursor over the code you don't know? The site is programmed to decode it for you in most cases.

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covert
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:58 am

If you have Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 or above, hover your cursor above the 3 letter IATA code to get the name or the airport in a bubble.
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nygfan84
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:58 am

OMG im really sorry to everyone I really never knew you could do that with the cursor. Thank You it was an honest mistake.
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:59 am

I agree with Nygfan84. It would make life so much easier for me if posters could possibly put the city name in parentheses next to the less known airport codes. I know most of the codes listed, but sometimes when reading a post I have to do a search on another site just to follow what the conversation is about. Hey, I know the world doesn't revolve around me and making my life easier, and I know a lot of you are very busy, but when you think about it, giving a city name would be cool  Smile
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:04 am

Hey Covert, thanks for the info. I, too, had absolutely no clue that you could just roll your cursor over the airport code! Jeez, all the time I have wasted searching for the city names!!!! Thanks for being nice and informing those of less Airliners.net saavy  Smile EA CO AS, no need to be rude. Some of us are new here and don't know all the tricks.
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:09 am

I agree with NYG as well. It's quite the nusciance. It reads much faster if you say Sacramento than if you type " SMF " and I have to roll my cursor over it to 'decode' it. It's ridiculous. It won't take you much to mention it at least once.

Furthermore, this "AA > California >USA> SMF> Sacramento" business is just plain stupid. Can you just post the city name, please? All of that other stuff is... not very useful. Maybe, "Fresno, California" would suffice. And then, refer to it with the IATA code, which we will all understand is in place of Fresno.

Finally, I think it is rather arrogant of EA CO AS (a poster whom I normally respect- so don't think I am putting him on a blacklist or anything) to say that the original poster was arrogant to dictate. He wasn't dictating, just asking. Give the guy a break. Do you know the code for Fargo, EA CO AS? Okay, how about Lubbock? East Texas Regional? Have I stumped you yet? It's frustrating. The guy is just frustrated.

So- let's all be nice, happy board members and make reading a little more pleasant for everyone.

I am going to suggest deletion.
Of the entire state of Mississippi.
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Jean Leloup
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:13 am

Hi Guys;

EA CO AS meant no harm, it's just that this 'request' comes up ALL the time, or at least it used to back when there were more new members. That's why Johan inplemented that cursor function. Note that this also works for two-letter airline codes. It simply aids greatly in convenience just to use the codes; you can get a lot more said with less effort.

It's a worthwhile task to learn the codes for yourself, rather than getting other people to tell you. Once you know most of them, it gives quite a feeling of satisfaction, like you have a secreet code in which to communicate.  Smile

Also, no need to search on other sites with the a.net database here at your disposal!  Big grin
Next flight.... who knows.
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:15 am

I was referring to things of this nature:

SA - Texas">SA - Texas">ELP-SA-, SA - Texas">SA - Texas">SAT-SA - Florida">SA - Florida">FLL, SA - Florida">SA - Florida">FLL-SA - Louisiana">SA - Louisiana">MSY, SA - Louisiana">SA - Louisiana">MSY-SA - Texas">SA - Texas">SAT, and SA - Texas">SA - Texas">SAT back to SA - Texas">SA - Texas">ELP

WHO can interpret that efficiently!?!? After reading all of it, I can only find four airports!!!! I takes up less speace to type this, see:

El Paso to San Antonio to Fort Lauderdale to New Orleans to San Antonio to El Paso.

SA - California">SEE??? MUCH LESS SPACE!!!!!!! You might even abbreviate "fort" with "Ft." and save yourself further keystrokage. Keystrokage? That doesn't come out right...

Y'all have a great weekend.

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ted747
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:18 am

Cool! Being from Sydney I am not that familiar with many of the US airports other than LAX, JFK, BOS and ORD - great feature with moving the cursor over the code.

thanks muchly.
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:27 am

The code for Lubbock is LBB.
My home town. South of us is Midland/Odessa, MAF
and North of us is Amarillo, AMA  Smile


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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:30 am



It seems quite a few of us have learnt about this hover function today/tonight.

The truth is that we don't all live in the USA and know the codes for places like Sacremento, even though its quite important.

I still think that we ought to make the effort to spell such names out in full, as it seems that nobody much knows about the hover function and the question will just arise again - by somebody else.

LHR, SFO, BKK and so on, fine
but SMF, SXF, AGP, and so on, well, be helpful to the rest of us.
 
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Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:38 am

if in acutality the codes were being used to keep from typing they would be acceptable but its normally the teenaged arm chair airline guys using them to try to look like they know what they are talking about... get a basic course in communcaitions guys, if the reciever has no clue what your talking about your being ineffective... thats why newspapers are written at a grade school level....
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:40 am

Works for 2 digit airline codes as well. I didn't notice any of this before...

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Jean Leloup
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:43 am

I think most people know about the hover function... just not the people in this discussion. Which makes sense, because they wouldn't be interested in the discussion in the first place. Johan made a big deal about it when he introduced it. However, I'm not sure whether there is something that informs new users of it when they sign up or read instructions for the forum.

And I'm puzzled by the fact that you think that the problem is just with US airports. I've had more difficulty with the smaller European airports, so it works both ways. In either case, I think it's best just to learn them. It's part of the language, just like parts of an airplane are, for instance.
Next flight.... who knows.
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:43 am

AA... most people don't do this on purpose... it sometimes works that way if there are 2 codes in the code... for example an airport and airline. So, for example COS might come up: "CO> Colorado>COS or whatever. This is not our fault, its the computer. I hate it as well.


also, there are some codes that when you roll the curser over it does not give a city. It would be helpful to give the city in that situation if possible.

I think that this should probably go to the sit related section so i will contact one of the crew members to check it out and possibly move it

my 2 cents worth/keeping the forums orderly (kinda!)
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:45 am

If we really wanted to have fun we could start using the ICAO 4-letter codes. That would allow us to discuss airfields that are so small and remote that they don't even have an IATA code.....

I've got a business trip planned next week and I'm leaving from RJTT (HND), flying down to RJFF (which is a great improvement over FUK...). I'm flying back from RJOB (OKJ or Okayama) and will leave again the following day from RJAA (NRT) to ZSPD (PVG or Shanghai Pudong).

Ahhhhh...I feel better already  Big grin

PS I didn't know about the hover function and I have been around a while. Thanks for pointing it out whoever....
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:38 pm

The airport codes arent so much the problem as the airline codes- people put WN, F9- I am sure the European, Australian, African and Asian and South American visitors on here have no idea about what the codes for Southwest, Frontier, Spirit etc are since they sound nothing like the code.
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:51 pm

hell i know what most of the codes stand for and i still think the hover feature is cool. and i never knew about it!
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:55 pm

Nygfan 84,

I'm always amazed at how insensitive some people are. I think nobody has the obligation to know codes except people who work with them all the time.
In other words, you have a point here but apparently there are guys who couldn't care less and others who are sensitive and friendly. Personally, I will start posting airport names unless they are among the top 20.
Cheers
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:01 pm

It's so petty. Put your cursor over the damn initals to learn. You like planes, why wouldn't you want to learn that aspect anyway?

Your lives must be REAL good if you have nothing else to whine and bitch about.
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saxman66
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:14 pm

Here's another point. Its not so much the airport codes. Its the airline codes that i don't know. TZ, F5. Now AA and UA or DL is easy. But I don't know all the airline codes. I suppose you can put your curser over them too.

Chris
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covert
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:35 pm

As it has been said, Chris, hover your cursor over the two letter airline code and all shall be revealed....
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portcolumbus
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:37 pm

I don't see what the problem is, move your cursor over the letters to find out the airport/airline and continue reading. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:39 pm

When you read GPT in my post I'm refeering to Gulfport/Biloxi International Airport. I usually mention the city w/in the text of my post so don't come growling to me about not helping out novice aviation fans w/ decoding!!!
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:40 pm

And then, refer to it with the IATA code, which we will all understand is in place of Fresno.

Personally I'm far more familiar with ICAO codes... I know only a few IATA codes and those are mainly for airports in Europe that I've been to.

It is indeed getting way out of hand. Some people think they're smarter than the rest by posting ever more cryptic strings of codes.
And it's not just destinations, also airline codes...
I flew VZ AMS-BHX-AMS last week. If I hadn't flown that route I'd know only that it was a return flight from Amsterdam to somewhere on some carrier. Since I have flown it I know it's MyTravel Light Amsterdam-Birmingham (UK)-Amsterdam.
And that's only 2 legs, there's sometimes dozens of codes in a single message most of which are far more obscure (at least my example were both international airports, even if the carrier was a small one, btw the script here gets their designation wrong. The name of the carrier changed this season and it's not been updated...).
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masseybrown
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:46 pm

The cursor identified EA as European Regions Airlines (Spain). Lousy thing has no sense of history.
 
SailorOrion
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:58 pm

I think that being an aviation geek, one could learn (at least the most important) codes by heart with time. Most of us don't even notice anymore when they put an airport code. When thinking about a city it just pops up in the head and its written.

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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Fri Jul 25, 2003 2:10 pm

If I have any doubt that the scrolling will work, I use the full name of the Airport. I haven't tested the database yet but I suspect that if were to write that I was the sole passenger on a PNV form IDI to PIT, some might not know what IDI is. Let's just see.......

Hmmmm.

Nope, IDI is not in the database. It is Jimmy Stewart airport in Indiana, PA.
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:38 am

Fargo: FAR
Lubbock: LBB
East Texas Regional: GGG (Longview/Kilgore, TX)
(all from memory- of course, 19 years in the business helps  Smile)

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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:56 am

JayDavis
You forgot,
CVN -Clovis NM, it Northwest of you and does get 3 flights a day.

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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:04 am

How come moving the cursor over the code doesn't work for GRR ? (Grand Rapids, MI-Gerald R. Ford International Airport)?
 
Shawn Patrick
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:15 am

How come moving the cursor over the code doesn't work for GRR ? (Grand Rapids, MI-Gerald R. Ford International Airport)?


Because Johan is lazy like that. Hasn't finished what he started.
 
Shawn Patrick
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:26 am

Oh yeah,

For anyone who is complaining that they don't know airport codes, this site should be of some use to you:

http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/aptcodesearch.asp

Shawn
 
covert
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 6:21 am

Oh yeah I forgot to add an airport or airline has to have more than a couple pictures in the database to show up.

covert
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ZID
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 8:30 am

Ahhhh, come on. If people don't use codes, then how are they going to make themselves look cool, and oh so knowledgable?

Wilcharl had by far the most relevent statement in this thread.

I'm not joking! This is my job!
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 9:16 am

Sheesh!

Look guys, perhaps "arrogant" was the wrong term to use, but I certainly wasn't trying to be outwardly rude. I just think that, as Jean said, this topic comes up every so often and really doesn't need to.

That having been said, I apologize if what I said was taken as being rude. It wasn't my intent. I simply wanted to convey that while perhaps you may not know certain codes, you can easily look them up. It's difficult to expect everyone here (most of whom are in the industry and know these codes) to change to accomodate the small minority who don't recognize them.

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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:15 am

I was reading another thread earlier about an Icelandair 757 seen in Islamabad and the response came up. The guy mentioned SID as an airport it also flies too.

Now the hover function doesn't work on that one, presumably because there's no photo from there on the database.

This is indeed likely as its Sal in the Cape Verde Islands. Nuts


Ray
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:18 am

I hope we are all friends again.

Otherwise you are really gonnna HATE the Non rev thread I just put up. Innocent
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Dulles
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:22 am

I think that airport codes were invented not only in order to save disk space when 1 K cost a fortune, but also to save time in typing (and reading!). I 100% agree with EA CO AS. He is not arrogant at all, just rational. (In fact, for me, he is one of the most respectable participants of this respectable discussion group.) It would not hurt to publish the mouse pointer trick more frequently, though.

Dulles
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:28 am

Thanks Dulles! I appreciate the kind words.
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:50 am

Personally, even when I am flying in NW's WBC DTW-NRT-SIN and looking out the window and see some CO, JAL, ANA, SQ and TG 772's and 744's going by in CAVU weather way up in the FL's leaving nice contrails, I split my time between the IFE being shown on my PTV and the HID of my laptop, thinking, "boy, maybe when I get to SIN I can shoot up to KUL or BKK; work in a stop at HKG on the way back, and hopefully see some CX 340's and QF 332's as well!"

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Dulles
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 11:30 am

So, what's the problem, Steve? Concise and clear... When did you spell out VHS or, God forbid, STD, in full?
 
syncmaster
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 11:36 am

It only show's the one's that are on the photo search list, that's why it doesn't know GRR (Gerald R. Ford Intl. - Grand Rapids, MI, KGRR)
 
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 6:48 pm

I know quite a few airport and airline codes, from the larger airports and airlines to the smaller, but it's always nice to have the hover feature in case I'm sure. Wider publicity of this feature wouldn't have gone amiss!
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backfire
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 7:11 pm

you can get a lot more said with less effort

Exactly how much effort does it take to type a city name, rather than the code? Even if it saves a couple of seconds for the writer, it takes the readers a lot longer to understand if they have to perform this "mouse hover" nonsense. And that's assuming the writer doesn't have to go and look his own damn codes up in the first place.

I put it to the court that it's less to do with saving time, and more to do with showing off - proving that you are a "real" aviation buff by using IATA gobbledigook. Well it don't impress me much.

Yes, there's a few airport codes which are widely known. But you can bet you'll hardly ever see a serious aviation publication resorting to airport codes when trying to communicate to its readers.
 
Pe@rson
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Sat Jul 26, 2003 7:26 pm

If you're unsure of a code, visit www.airlinecodes.co.uk.
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jetdeltamsy
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RE: Stop Posting Airport Codes!

Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:39 pm

quit your whining. look them up.
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