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Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:21 am

What airlines serve Lake Tahoe Airport?
 
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:31 am

I have been there two years ago and I remember that no commercial airline was serving Lake Tahoe airport (not Reno/Tahoe airport) at this time. I asked a guy there and he told me that they have lots of private jets but no airlines. Maybe it has changed now and the airport has a scheduled airline.

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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:44 am

AirCal operated in there for awhile. I believe that even American operated there briefly after they took over OC.

Reno Air also flew into TVL c. 1994. And Tahoe Air (via Casino Express) flew there for awhile too in 1999.
 
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:45 am

I believe you mean South Lake Tahoe Airport. The most recent service was by Alleigant in its earlier form... I believe it ran LBG-TVL... might have continued onto PDX at one point or went back to FAT. I am certain in the pre-dereg era either PSA or AirCal also flew into TVL.
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Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:49 am


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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:00 am

I know for a fact that TVL was service by PSA Electra's in the 1960's.
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:05 am

Didn't Pacific Express, that 80's primarily intra-California airline operate to TVL with BAC-111's?

I had heard that their were serious noise resitrctions at TVL and thats why no commerical traffic operates there anymore.
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:22 am

Worked in Harrah´s -87, flew to Tahoe in a Am.Eagle Fairchild Metro/
back in AirCal 737 to SFO.....20-25 min.

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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:31 am

There are a couple of problems at TVL that limit its desirability for commercial service. One is tight noise controls (Stage 3 aircraft are limited to 8am to 8pm operations and noise limits are 86 dBA arrival - 80 dBA takeoff among other restrictions). Another is its location that makes landings and takeoffs difficult. Finally Reno (RNO) experienced a lot of growth in the 80s and 90s compared to TVL. RNO even renamed itself Reno/Tahoe International and markets itself as the airport for Lake Tahoe.

Tahoe Air operated 737s for a short time in 1999 from TVL to San Jose and LAX. Allegiant for 2 periods in 1999 and 2000 on TVL-LGB. There were also a number of other operators at TVL pre-dereg and in the early days of deregulation. Some of the names include Aspen and Golden West. Reno Air also briefly operated at TVL in 1995.
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 5:02 am

I flew there in both the Air Cal electra and in a new DC-9 super 80.
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:57 am

Back in the early 1980s, I went SFO-TVL on what I recall was Golden West, on a Dash-7. Nice ride, and the views approaching over the lake were awesome.

The next winter, I was in Tahoe skiing (Heavenly) and recall looking -down- on aircraft making the approach. Neat viewpoint....  Big grin
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:44 am

Yes Allegiant flew up there. I flew on the inagural flight and took photos for the airline plus since I was an employee, I got paid for the day!

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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:31 am

I seem to recall that only 2 or 3 airline flights per day are allowed at TVL. Great job to be the ground agent but quite expensive for the airline.

And I'd really hate to be on that DC-9 of Allegiant Air inbound from Paris.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 12:09 pm

I think PSA was flying Electras into TVL in the early 70's (as did AirCal)



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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 12:16 pm

But back to the question posted. None.

And all the airlines/aircraft listed above did fly into Tahoe.
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 12:33 pm

IMissPiedmont,

I forgot about that. You are on the right track but off a little on the number of flights.

Due to a court order, TVL is only allowed 8 daily commercial flights (increased to 12 daily during the peak season). There is also a limit of 500,000 passengers per year.
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:01 pm


Hi!

I was there in May and the best I saw was some bizz jets and some twin-props and single engine airplanes. I actually took some photos to the planes there. The airport looks really great and quite challenging. Can you use the runway in both directions? I think t/off direct to the mountains must be exciting, and the landing from the mountains must be also great!!!
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:17 pm

FATFlyer, thanks for the numbers. But to quote Led Zeppelin, "The song remains the same" to a point. There must be another limiting factor in play at TVL as WN, for one, could operate 8 flights a day and earn money. Perhaps the landing costs are quite high? I truly do not know.
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:13 pm

i flew allegiant in from vegas when their service first started, paid 59 and the dc-9-21 looked better than most new planes inside, only 7 pax on board, flight continued to burbank, and then turned back to tvl to vegas. currently, nobody serves south lake tahoe airport, but as mentioned above, psa, aircal, aa, reno air, tahoe air, allegiant air all have within the past while. what an approach too!!!
 
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 7:49 pm

Alpha Air (under the banner of TWE = Trans World Express) flew LAX - TVL briefly in 1994 (I have an TWA Timetable which shows the Daily flight!

I surly miss TWA and I love Lake Tahoe!
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:37 pm

Beautiful location for an airport, and oh-so-close to the ski resorts and casinos of South Lake Tahoe.

Probably a good idea to keep restrictions on flights, because it seems the traffic might destroy the whole atmosphere of the area.....but it sure would be nice to fly into Tahoe rather than make the drive from Reno.

Nice drive in summer but a much farther trip from RNO. However one does pass enticingly close to the Moonlight Bunny Ranch just outside of Carson City. (If you're into that kind of thing, of course).
 
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:23 am

I think certain types of planes would be perfect for TVL, especially during the winter ski season.

I think the BAe 146-200/300 with its STOL capability and quiet egines could be used to fly to TVL from SFO and SJC on a seasonal basis during the ski season. I think such a market exists because frankly, RNO is too far a trip by bus or by private car to get back to the casinos at Stateline and the very popular Heavenly Valley ski resort.
 
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:37 am

If there were money to be made by serving TVL, then somebody would be finding a way to do it. The fact that there is no service is proof that it can't be done, due to lack of demand, restrictions, etc., or some combination thereof.
 
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:07 am



I flew a PSA Electra out of TVL in either '76 or '77 that was supposed to
go to LAX, but diverted to BUR due to TWO yes TWO inflight engine
shutdowns. I remember sitting right in front of the wing and watching one prop start sputtering in flight and then shut down with a big cloud of black smoke.
The captain came on and said it was due to an oil problem. Not 10minutes
later the adjoining engine did the same thing so we ended up dirverting to
BUR. Quite an experience! We ended up being bussed from BUR to LAX
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:11 am

at lake tahoe airport it says:ALL FLIGHTS CURRENTLY SUSPENDED.
CHECK ALLEGIANT AIR WEB SITE
FOR FUTURE FLIGHT INFORMATION.

what doe's that mean?
 
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:22 am

In 1975, Holiday Airlines, shut down. They had served TVL with Electras from the Bay Area and Southern California. PSA and Air Cal began service to TVL with Electras at that time. PSA leased theirs from McCullough Oil Co., and Air California still had one of their original ships and picked up a couple more. Both airlines served TVL with Electras until about 1980. Air Cal flew from the Bay Area and from SNA, and PSA went from the Bay Area and LAX. At that time, although jets were allowed for charters, no scheduled service was allowed. Some charter carrier over ran the runway and cracked up a BAC-111, so charter flight noise was tolerated.
 
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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Mon Jul 28, 2003 2:38 pm

Noise is a major issue at TVL. I understand that in the 1992 court settlement, an individual aircraft (commercial or private) that violates the noise limits 3 times in a quarter must be banned from the airport. That could play havoc with scheduling. Also no flights are allowed after 8pm, except for emergencies.

You also have a strong regional regulatory body (the TRPA) and a strong environmental movement in the area. Many local people argue that the airport should be completely shut down to preserve the atmosphere and tranquility of the area as well as eliminate operating loss subsidies from the city.

I believe the Tahoe tourist industry started focusing on driving customers in the 80s, about the same time that Vegas boomed in gambling and other ski areas expanded and pursued attracting customers via airlines. Tahoe area hotels took on a very rundown and tacky look, not too attractive to someone who could fly instead to LAS, or Aspen, Vail, Whistler, etc. Now the area has begun to improve and redevelop. They've also reduced the number of motel rooms by about 1,000.

Given the current climate around TVL I can see where a carrier would be reluctant to commit. The political and economic conditions have not looked good for a very long time. Add in very limited daily operations and most carriers would stay away.

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RE: Lake Tahoe Airport?

Mon Jul 28, 2003 2:54 pm

My family rents a cabin that is right under the approach to runway 36. It is fun seeing bizjets fly right over us. The airport is about 5 miles north of the cabin. But there are too many trees to really do any spotting. The biggest thing I have ever seen landing is a Citation 650 or a Lear 45.

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