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China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:37 am

What cities do China Southern and China Eastern serve from LAX? Does Eastern have any plans of replacing the MD-11 on this route with the new A346? What are the frequencies of these flights? Have any other Chinese airlines expressed interest in flying to LAX? And what other North American cities do these airlines serve? Thanks.
 
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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:22 am

not sure how much this will help, but china eastern flies lax to shanghai (pudong). china eastern has a codeshare agreement with american. i hear the service is ok, but all of my american ex-patriot friends in shanghai urge taking a non-chinese carrier for the long haul ( i took united and it was fair). i doubt china eastern will expand much given the extremely limited bilateral agreements that exist between china and the united states.
 
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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:27 am

China Southern flies their 777-200's from LAX-Guangzhou, China.

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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:14 pm

From LAX, China Eastern serves Harbin, Shanghai, and Beijing, though not on roundtrips. I think the routings are LAX-HRB-PVG-LAX and LAX-PVG-PEK-LAX.
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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:31 pm

CZ and MU are the only 2 Chinese carriers other than Air China (CA) that serves North America. CA flies to more than LAX... SFO and JFK too, perhaps?
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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:49 pm

CA offer passenger & cargo services to LAX, SFO & ORD. They also have a freight service to ANC. I believe they're the Chinese carrier with the biggest presence in North America (despite the fact that they don't fly to Canada - actually no Chinese carrier currently flies to Canada, if I'm not mistaken).

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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:36 pm

To Hkg82,

Air China Cargo also serves Portland (PDX) in the States.

Also, Air China has services to New York (JFK) in the States as well as Vancouver (YVR) in Canada.


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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:27 am

I stand corrected. CA also flies to PDX, neat. Are KE & CA the only two Asian carriers flying into PDX?

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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:16 am

Cathay Pacific is also Chinese, right? CX serves SFO, LAX, JFK, and Anchorage (cargo only) in the US.
 
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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:06 pm

CX a Chinese Carrier????? hmm....yes and no. Home base is HKG SAR ,aircraft registeration as those Chinese Carriers with Letter B, however the big boss is Swire Group a British firm. In China CX is being treated as a foriegn company. b4 early 90s CX did wear the British flag but nothing nowadays..

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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:19 pm

China Eastern flies on a LAX - PVG - Beijing route, I took this June 2002. I think sometimes it alternates and flies LAX - Beijing - PVG also, not sure though. MD-11 used on this route. China Southern flies to Guangzhou, China on a B777 aircraft.
 
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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:27 am

Pre July 1997 Status of CX:

Cathay Pacific Airways were a private airline set up by a British company in Hong Kong a British colony, the airline grew to become the place's flag carrier in a way, aircraft flew the British flag and wore British registration, so they were considered a foreign company in mainland China and their services to some of the mainland cities in the early 90's were also treated as international flights.

Present Status of CX:

Cathay Pacific Airways are a private airline set up and run by a British company in Hong Kong, a Chinese city, but with its own administrative system, which makes it something like a Free Port, Tax/Duty Free region of some other countries but not exactly the same, yet HKG and the rest are all part of their respective countrie's, the aircraft dont wear any flag and have Chinese registration (like all other Chinese carriers), they will soon be realunching operations to mainland China which will be now be domestic services by a foreign owned airline based in Hong Kong, a Chinese city.

So a foreign company based in what is now a Chinese city, having its own special administrative system, but still part of mainland China with a governer/mayor type personality from China running the show, (means the company is based in the country of China and in the city of Hong Kong of that country), have set up an airline in the country of China, which is based in the city Hong Kong of that country, which enjoys a different system of rule from the rest of the country of China, of which however it is part of and which is its motherland,(just as the Island of Kish in Iran enjoys its own tax free liberal system but is part of Iran, or an Iranian city on an Island but with its own system different to the rest of the Iran, but still a city and a part of that country), the airline is run and staffed mainly by Chinese people, who speak various Chinese dialects, and its aircraft fleet is registered in China, the airlines home country to which its home base city Hong Kong belongs, makes Cathay Pacific an independant/private Chinese airline who's owners are a British company with head quarters in U.K and a base in the city of Hong Kong(with its own system of governance) in the country of China.

Swire Group are in the U.K, Cathay Pacific Airways have head quarters in the city of Hong Kong/Xiang Gaang (S.A.R), in the country, P.R.C China.

So a foreign company set up, own and operate an airline in China = the airline is Chinese but its owners are foreign = a foreign run Chinese company = CX are a Chinese airline/company/business owned by a Britain based organisation and not a foreign airline based in China as many people here believe them to be. Hope everything is clear now Nuts

Cathay Pacific Cargo are also operating 'un-sung' scheduled freighter operations to Chicago since a few years now.


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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:38 am

"So a foreign company set up, own and operate an airline in China = the airline is Chinese but its owners are foreign = a foreign run Chinese company = CX are a Chinese airline/company/business owned by a Britain based organisation and not a foreign airline based in China as many people here believe them to be. Hope everything is clear now"

Yes. Now, add to the fact that HK may not *technically* be part of China & you should have some fun.  Smile

"Cathay Pacific Cargo are also operating 'un-sung' scheduled freighter operations to Chicago since a few years now.""

Huh? 'Un-sung'? You mean unscheduled?

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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:21 pm

Hkg82: I'm pretty sure that KE Cargo and CA Cargo are the only regular Asian carriers at PDX.
 
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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:14 pm

No Hkg82, un-sung = not well known, I never knew CX (a major Asian carrier) were flying freighters to Chicago (a major US city), quite a big deal for a cargo aficionado like me especially since CX dont have pax services to ORD, yet Chicago is getting the cargo services of Cathay Pacific so they have another airline there thats never discussed in ORD aviation scene related posts, for example when some people including myself reply to threads asking about airlines operating from our home airports I always add Cargolux, Lufthansa and Air France in the list and mentioning 'cargo only' by the side, because LH and AF are airlines operating here technically even though they dont have pax services in Pakistan any more, Cargolux is a bit different since its an exclusive cargo airline, also AF Cargo services to Karachi are suspended at present.

About the "tech" bit about Hong Kong's status, you accept it as a Chinese city right?


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RE: China Southern, China Eastern @ LAX

Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:55 pm

I didn't know CX had scheduled cargo services to ORD! Cool. Hopefully they'll supplement that with a passenger service in the future, but perhaps AA will take up the passenger route, but as CX already offers cargo services to ORD, a passenger service is likely I think (maybe via Europe/LHR if talks are successful, and maybe even to JFK too and in turn VS will be allowed to do HKG-SYD-HKG & HKG-MEL-HKG – a dream come true!).

There’s no other definition of Hong Kong other than a Chinese city. The issue at hand is whether HK is part of China or not, and many people argue because of ‘One Country, Two Systems’, Hong Kong is in fact not part of China. But I think that’s ridiculous and it’s obvious to any clear-minded person that HK is part of China. Our leadership is chosen by the Beijing Central Government, the Chinese Communist flag stands tall & proudly on top of the Legco building (placed higher than the SAR flag); the political heart of Hong Kong. Anyway…

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