flyboy80
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F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:44 pm



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I'm wondering if this forward door (1R) is what would be considered "Cracked?" Also, I've seen other pictures of planes sitting on the ramp with the doors open quite often such as this one.

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F/As always say that their airline says NOT to open the doors (U.S. Airlines) unless there is an emergencey, but during training do the instructers talk to you about this? Because it seems to me that if a door was open, couldn't a gate agent or someone report you, and you would be breaking airline policy correct? Thanks for any help... It's awesome having a cool Flight attendant community here that helps with these sorts of questions, as all of you know, I always have some! lol, thanks!
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:54 pm

Umm...not sure what you mean by "cracked"

But, the doors on the right side of the aircraft are often opened to allow service vehicles access to the plane such as cleaning and food. Sometimes doors are opened on aircraft to let them air out. I think its pretty standard procedure.

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AJ
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:05 pm

It is very common for classic 737s and various other types to have the doors "cracked", ie just opened for a very sensible reason. Later aircraft had the door designed so that if it was opened from the outside whilst armed the door would automatically disarm, in other words you could not fire the slide at yourself! Earlier 737s did not have this feature so the door is cracked from the inside prior to servicing staff arriving to indicate that the door is disarmed. Very sensible really!
 
Vain~
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:33 pm

I've never heard of a 737 classic or ng with a automatic disarm system, its just a bar attached to the floor when its armed.
Open it from the outside when its armed, and your in trouble...

And to keep on topic : on some galleys you can't get the trashcan out its compartment when the door is closed, so the cleaners are forced to open the door.
 
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:49 am

When I say cracked it means the door is slightly opened I believe, or that the door control handle has been fully rotated, although from my experience with the 737 door, when the handle is fully rotated, as you do it, the door turns towards the outside of the aircraft. I never thought of the trash, I guess the slide bustle could be in the way. Well IM looking forward to hearing from more peeps. THANKS!!!
 
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:36 am

"I've never heard of a 737 classic or ng with a automatic disarm system, its just a bar attached to the floor when its armed."

Our -800 series 737s will automatically disarm when opened from the outside in the armed position.
 
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:07 am

AJ
i have been ona 737-800, the door arming and disarming is similar to the classic 737's so i dont know where your comment came from.
 
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:17 am

The reason for cracking the door is what I'm trying to establish, which I maintain is to allow ground personnel to know the doors are disarmed.
Qantas procedures state "'Crack' door after the seat belt sign has been extinguished".

[Edited 2003-07-30 02:29:26]
 
miami1
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:25 am

Yes the door is 'cracked'. Some airlines have the procedure for FAs to crack the door when the seat belt signs are switched off after arrival at the gate. Virgin Blue does it and I believe Ansett did.
 
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:13 pm

Dude, I'm sorry, but you have a problem. You have some kind of a weird fetish with these aircraft doors. As a person who opens them all day long almost everyday of my life, I can tell you it is nothing special. Trust me. It is not against company policy, at my company anyway, for FAs to open doors at anytime. It is their job to be in control of the doors. Most of the time they open the Forward Service Door (FSD) for two reasons: let catering know it is okay to come in (not some much that it is SAFE, but it is okay to come in), and for ventilation.
BTW, if you open the doors from the outside before (on our planes) the girt bar has been removed, you are screwed! The slide will inflate and you will become part of the back of the jetway! That is why we wait for the FAs to crack the doors.
 
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:38 am

Our -800 series 737s will automatically disarm when opened from the outside in the armed position

AJ, it's not that i don't believe you but could you give some more (Technical)info on this ? i've never heard of it nor seen it on 737's and i'm quite curious how boeing would have managed to do this in the relatively small 737 door.
I know the automatic disarm system from other types, and it's quite complicated if its done mechanically with push-pull rods, latches and what not

 
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:51 am

NW's policy is that the gate agents are to open and close doors, but we always open, or crack the doors if it's hot, or I spill a bag of ice and I need to sweep it out on to the tarmac. F/a's open and close doors all the time. The only doors that should never be opened are doors 3L and 3R on 747's and DC10's because if they fuel the airplane, the door's won't close.
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Thu Jul 31, 2003 9:15 am

Well, on our 737NG's, the slide is simply attached to the cabin floor by means of a girt bar and its associated fittings. I've never heard of a 737 door that automatically "disarms" itself.

Also, regarding cracking a door as a means of insuring that the slide isn't engaged for ground personnel... Isn't what that little orange flag that goes over the window for?
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Thu Jul 31, 2003 9:25 am

This is all very interesting to me. Since I do not know anything about this I am not going to comment.
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Thu Jul 31, 2003 9:54 am

Isn't what that little orange flag that goes over the window for?

For some reason, the little orange flag is not used at DL. It is one of the first things removed when the a/c is delivered from the factory.
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AJ
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Thu Jul 31, 2003 10:39 am

D'OH. I retract my 'Our -800 series 737s will automatically disarm when opened from the outside in the armed position' remark. Very sorry! I have delved into the EPs manual and found that it's only the A330/B767/B747 aircraft in our fleet to which this applies. I personally fly the 767, not the 737. The only difference on the -800 exits is the flip up overwing exits.
The procedures do state that it is to ensure that no unintentional slide deployments occur from outside the 737, as a slide firing at you is not pretty. Somehow we still manage to fire slides every now and again, usually because an F/A opens an armed door from the inside, or when the door won't fully arm and the door handle is cycled with the girt bar engaged. Bummer.
Sorry about the misleading comment!
 
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:35 am

Why 3L and 3R on DC-10's/747's won't close when refueling??????

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highguy76
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RE: F/As, Is This Door "cracked?"

Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:43 am

Because those exits are overwing and the weight of fuel in the tanks stretches the fuselage to the point that, if the door is not closed and stretched with it, it won't close properly.
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