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Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:21 am

In feature films, I love plane scenes...people jumping out of planes...explosions on planes, crashes, turbulence, etc...

But, how realistic are these images?

Some of my favorites are AirForce One, Passenger 57 and Top Gun. Were those pretty realistic as far as the effects that they used and the situations they were in?
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:27 am

Unfortunately, most movies that have planes in them are unrealistic. Air Force One and Passenger 57 have questionable scenes. The 747 would never have been able to take off like it did in Air Force One. In '57, Snipes would not have been able to climb through the landing gear etc like he did.

Top Gun overall had realistic flying and situations for combat, but again Hollywood takes liberties when they make these movies. Take Top Gun for instance, there is no trophy or point system. You are graded but that grade is just for you. You do fly alot but more time studying aerodynamics and different equipment etc. Also, they would never fly out the "Top Guns" from Miramar to a carrier to fly in hostile action like they do at the end of the movie.
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:28 am

Yeah...I suppose Hollywood WOULD exaggerate a little.

Are there any films that you have seen that have been VERY realistic? If so, which?

P.S.) What are your all-time favorite plane films?
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:31 am

I've never seen one.

The reality is that Hollywood makes airliners bigger, less noisier, and generally not accurate in their depictions. It depends on the film, of course.
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:38 am

You want to see a realistic film with lots of aircraft...?

Take Harry's Airport Specials...  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:43 am

What I find so amusing is how much space there is on airliners in movies. There's always lots of space both above and below the passenger cabin for terrorists or special forces teams to climb around in.  Smile (See "Executive Decision" for a prime example)
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 2:51 am

"Airport"-the original 1970 movie. The 180 degree slide the 707 does a the end of the runway is real......The stunt crew came in a little hot......The scene where the mechanics are trying to remove a stuck 707 from the snow is good too.....Also the movie has the usual,"pilot is in love with one of the FAs" plot.
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 2:56 am

My favorite plane movie is Airport 1975, when the little Cessna hits a 747 midair and then they put a pilot into the hole in the cockpit while the plane is trying to land at Salt Lake City. Do you really think that is possible???
My favorite part was when the stewardess (Karen Black) was flying the 747.
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:21 am

...is Airport 1975, when the little Cessna hits a 747 midair...


I'm going to stick my neck out and claim that it wasn't a Cessna but a Beech Baron.

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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:38 am

My favorite aviation movie would have to be "Top Gun". The flying was red hot. All air to air combat, nothing gets better than that.

One good aviation T.V. series is "Black Sheep" squadron. F4 Corsairs etc.
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:44 am

I also thought that the Crash scene in Cast Away was good too. That is a fear of mine...Crashing and being strandad in the ocean.  Sad

 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:47 am

Stranded in the ocean or stranded on an island? It is interesting to see how far "off course" the DC-10 strays. Another one of my favorite movies is "Kai Tak: The Last Days." A video of jets coming into land at the famous and now close Kai Tak.
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:55 am

Try two old movies made from Ernie Gann books, "Island in the Sky" and "The High and The Mighty," if you want to see some realistic airplane movies.
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:55 am

There's only one quite realistic aviation movie, to the best of my knowledge: Airport (with Burt Lancaster and Dean Martin).

Anything else is pretty much crap on the realism scale. Even those movies based on real events are mostly overexaggerated (although I have vague memories that the movie about the DC10 that crashed in Phoenix wasn't too bad)

So, in the same thread of questioning: Which movies about the police are realistic? How often do you get "buddy" cops that have a hotshot young guy teamed up with an old hand, constantly involved in humourous situations while blissfully slaughtering dozens of people, being only reprimanded if they happen to blow up a skyscraper during the proceedings?

Or how many movies about serial killers are realistic? I mean, there've now most likely been more movie serial killers than real ones, and in movies they're these incredibly sophisticated and intelligent, but fundamentally insane people. An interview with a real murderer ended up as a farce - the guy tried to appear like a movie-character (Hannibal Lecter, I suppose) but "huh?" and "mmmm?" 'd his way through the interview because he was an imbecile barely able to understand a complete sentence...

Or how many American teen comedies are realistic? Is there a hidden beauty in every girl, revealed purely by changing the hair and buying new glasses (sometimes, not even a change of the hair is required)?

Does every prostitute have a heart of gold? Is every drug dealer born evil? Is every scientist a nerd? Does every conflict always end in the death of the bad guy? Do only black sidekicks to heros die? Or is opening up a wallet with pictures of the wife and kids and showing them to a brave and good looking friend an immediate death sentence?

Movies are trash. They're mostly the mental equivalent of fast food - fun, but unhealthy, mass produced for quick consumption and without a single ounce of genuine ingredient.

Of course I enjoy watching them, too.
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:13 am

Ikarus,

WOW..I am completely impressed by your response...I guess films must be heightened with special effects/visuals to attract an audience. However, sometimes...real like situations like that FEEL unreal, as if you were living in a movie.

Have you ever been injured and everything seems to move in slow motion? And then when you replay the experience to friends or in your mind...you tend to exaggerate a bit? I think that is how it is with hollywood...they want people to LIVE that experience as much as they can. It's not garbage. It's FUN and Exciting. Just like Life can be.

- Irisa

 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:40 am

It's FUN and Exciting.

So is that KFC Zinger Tower I bite into every now and then.... Doesn't mean it's particularly good & stimulating for me...

Things I've seen in movies:
1) A 747 doing a high speed slalom, then a takeoff roll within 300 metres of taxiway
2) Arnie blowing open a door of a plane, not being sucked out, then holding on to the outside of the plane, before parachuting away
3) A 747 taking off with a fuel leak, then exploding because someone dropped a match on the fuel on the runway
4) A plane shattering into a gazillion pieces and exploding with lots of fire during a hard landing on the runway after running out of fuel
5) an ILS system being shifted down, not in angle, but the entire slope moved down (leading to the "crash" in 4)
6) A helicopter wrapped up in covers, on a truck, falling off a dam, then being unwrapped, turned around, started up and flown away before hitting the ground
7) A man falling down faster than a plane, catching it, getting inside, then flying it away
8) A 747 crashing into the ocean, sinking, full of air, with everybody still inside, to the bottom of the ocean, in one piece.
...


I don't mind that movies are unrealistic - they're mostly in a world of their own, with little reference to our universe (how many people in mainstream movies look average, or lead boring existences?). I like movies, yes they're fun. But they're unrealistic. That is why they are fun. If I could leap around like an oversized grasshopper while machine-gunning my way through a hall full of guards, why would I want to watch movies? Movies are fun, because they provide an escape from reality, not because they resemble it in any way.

(Indeed, those that do resemble reality make for depressing pictures and few people watch them)

[Edited 2003-07-29 22:01:41]
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:10 am

My favorite airplane movie is "Alive" and find it to be very realistic and they got it almost exact to the littlest detail.

They had to find an exact model of the FH-227D and they repainted it in the same colors that it was painted in 1972. They actually flew the plane too and used models for the crash sequences. For those whom have seen the movie, I found it to be very realistic.

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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:43 am

Ikarus,

Wasn't one the film you're referring too, Die Hard 2, with Bruce Willis?

-Benjamin
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:47 am

Yep. In sequence:

1) Air Force One
2) Eraser
3-5) Die Hard 2
6) Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle (previously known as: Charlie's Angels: HALO)
7) GoldenEye
8) don't remember the title.
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:50 am

Thanks, what did I win? lol

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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 5:54 am

The movie called "Miracle Landing" (1987 or 88) about the Aloha Airlines plane whose top 'blew off' in flight over Hawaii was pretty good. Someone I know who was a passenger on the plane said the movie was extremely accurate. On a side note it was that movie that sparked my interest in aviation and made Aloha my favorite airline.
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 6:05 am

Aloha73g,

They did seem to incorporate a lot of the actual CVR transcript into the flight crew's conversation, which was a nice touch as well. It was a bit dramaticized but what movie isn't?

I actually came across the model they used for that movie (with the top blown off!)...I think it was at a Planet Hollywood in either New York or LA....
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 6:10 am

I noticed that when you don't recognize the tail logo of a plane in a movie, that airplane will inevitably run into trouble or crash.
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 7:22 am

One movie most Realistic--
"Airplane"  Smile

"Airplane 2 : The Squeal" a close 2nd (but it more about space planes.)


Sir, don't you think we should turn on the runway lights?" "No, that's just what there expecting us to do!"
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 7:30 am

I guess why is it in movies or tv everyone or the whole cabin is first class - no one ever really travels down the back....

it only that was the case!!
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 7:40 am

Aside from the first one, the Airport movies were quite ridiculous, especially '77, with the 747 submerged and airtight like a submarine although '79 wasn't far off with the Concorde careening down a skislope. "Bombers B-52", a thinly veiled piece of Air Force PR, was another example of poor drama built around great aviation scenes. Want realism? Get only the docu-videos and DVDs sold in aviation interest stores and stay away from Hollywood!
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 7:54 am

Good one Diezel.......... LOL

btw.... Have you noticed Hollywood always have great names for their airlines (Oceanic for example). Where do writers and producers get those great names from? If planning to start a new airline, forget about snowflakes, virgins or any given combination from the compass rose; go ask Spielberg and friends. Big grin

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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:07 am

What about the plane crash in "Fearless", with Jeff Bridges? I think it was bases on the UA Sioux City crash, and it SEEMED pretty realistic to me, though I wouldn't reall yknow what it's like to be in a plane crash!
Next flight.... who knows.
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:10 am

Ikarus:

I have to disagree with you, but only partly. Most movies are crap. Some, like Citizen Kane and Ride With the Devil, are excellently crafted with intriguing plots and/or historically accurate events, like the burning of Lawrence, Kansas in Ride With the Devil. Good movie. Stars Jewel and Tobey MacGuire, who rides with Quantril's Raiders in Western Missouri and Eastern Kansas... Also the first thirty minutes of Saving Private Ryan are supposed to be the most historically accurate depiction of a WWII battle ever put on screen.

But as far as aviation movies go, I have yet to see a movie that gets it even close to accurate. Many are fun to watch, like Top Gun or Iron Eagle or Air Force One. But in general, they are crap.

Oh, Ikarus, you forgot to mention a C-5 decked out with both cargo area and passenger space that is hit by a laser beam from space, losing forty percent of the airframe, and a helecopter dropping from the cargo area and doing an auto-gyro start that brings it to within ten feet of the ground at 100fps, then hovers.

Also, I think 8) was Airport '77. As I recall, the 747 crashed in a way that would have ripped apart the fueslage. At the end, they say something like, "The event you have just seen is fictional. The Navy's rescue capabilities showcased in this program are real."

I can't help but think, "Yeah, real for recovering corpses..."

Strategic Air Command was fairly good, but was definetly Cold War propaganda... Still, much of the action was based on real-life events, but dramatized for the movies.

Also, there's a James Bond movie with a miniature jet aircraft in the opening sequence, and at the end of it, he stows the bird in a horse trailer. The plane really exists, and can fit in a horse trailer. The part where it flies through the closing doors of a hangar is real, but was carefully coordinated.
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 6:38 pm

That was an Antonov 124, I thought (in Die Another Day)

And I also said this:
Indeed, those that do resemble reality make for depressing pictures and few people watch them

Also, please notice I used the word "mostly" a lot.

Anyway, Citizen Kane is actually incredibly boring and its importance in cinematic history might be the camera work, but apart from that I don't see anything good about the movie at all. Haven't seen "Ride with the Devil". And Saving Private Ryan..... well, it's fun to watch, but apart from the first 30 minutes it is rather cliched and simplistic anyway.

I will repeat this: I like movies, a lot . But I realize they're mental and visual fast food. And they are, mostly, unrealistic. Those that are realistic are, mostly, unwatchable.
 
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RE: Plane Movies...Realistic?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:34 pm

Nobody else picked up on CX747's statement regarding Cast Away - so i'll raise it.

Tom Hanks ran out to an Airbus A300 when leaving Helen Hunt in Memphis. The aircraft had a full glass cockpit and three throttles on the inside - therefore it was an MD11 or possibly an MD10. He nearly gets chewed up by a CF6 on impact.

So what was it that crashed?

A300 (coincidence that it was a European plane perhaps? I think not)
MD11?

Realistic crash scene? Possibly not... Of course GPS planes go out of course like that all the time right? : )

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