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Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:20 pm

have heared that QF plans nonstop-flights from syd/mel to european destinations.
anybody can confirm or knows more about it?
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:33 pm

Will this be possible with B744s for such a long trip without using Singapore as hub ? I can't imagine that but it's interesting to hear about it ...
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:35 pm

No, the 744 is not able to handle it - but i think they are talking about buying the 380 and that should work.
sin-hub had been difficult this months cause of sars, ek is flying nonstop from dxb to syd eff 10/2003.
so if they would have done it earlier, that would have been a good solution for lots of aussie-tourists.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:55 pm

True ...

Do you know whether QF is planning to buy A380s? Latest news I heard QF said they won't get it ...
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:56 pm

Am sure they will buy it.
Warum auch nicht?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:59 pm

Na gut ... we'll see what they are going to do ...  Smile

by the way ... what's your favourite airport for spotting?
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:01 pm

Frankfurt 18 West.
I usually don't spott. But when i have been in Brisbane i visited an australian friend who fell in love with planes. So we went to Bne airport.
When he was in Frankfurt 2 years ago he got wet eyes when he saw all the 747, 340, md 11 and short-haul european airlines. Then he saw a parking 747-400 from QF .
You know another good airport for spotting in germany?
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:02 pm

Do you know whether QF is planning to buy A380s? Latest news I heard QF said they won't get it ...

Hmmmmmmmm... they ordered 6x A380s abt 1 year ago together with their A330s.
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Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:03 pm

Qantas was one of the first airline to order the A380. You didn't know?
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:04 pm

No, sorry. I prefer spotting at Frankfurt. I know many airports around the world but the best variety of planes you see at Frankfurt and Heathrow. A great airport for spotting is Singapore.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:05 pm

I have heared about it, Manni. But lots of things change. So maybe they cancelled options.
SQ also had options for the concorde years ago and didnt order them then.
But plane is made for QF, good desission to buy that plane.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:09 pm

Nonstop from Australia to Europe.

Not even the A340-500 will be able og flying nonstop from Australia to Europe with a full payload.

So I guess they still have to use BKK and SIN as a 1 stop hub.


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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:11 pm

Megatop, we're talking about the 380, not the 340.
EK will fly from DXB to SYD - nonstop. So no need to use BKK, SIN, KUL, HKG o.e. for hub. Hub can be closer to europe and one day, there will be no more hub i guess.
Is SAS interrested in 380, Megatop, you have heared something?
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:13 pm

Friends in SIN told me that airport officials fear Changi will be no longer be used as hub by QF and probably further airlines in the future. Does anybody has detailed information ?
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:16 pm

No, but i can't believe that, Chris. QF changed its timetable to have one big hub in south-east-asia: sin.
very friendly staff there, great airport, fully a/c.
some toilets are horrable cause asian-style (hole in bottom).
but airport is very nice.
And i think it's a good time to go out of plane, walking around, instead sitting in the plane for 20+ hours.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:21 pm

I totally agree with you about Changi. It's a great airport with an excellent service by its employees. And SIN is a great place for a stopover on the way to Australia or New Zealand.

Hopefully QF won't change the plans about their SIN hub !
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:23 pm

You been to australia before, Chris?
Know the place where the spotters are in SYD??
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:24 pm

Qantas has A380 aircraft on firm order, not 6 as mentioned above.

The A340-500 and B777-200LR shoud be capable of Heathrow - Perth.

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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:30 pm

Yes, i have been to Australia in September 2001. Unfortunately I didn't have the time to spend some time at Kingsford-Smith.
I had an domestic flight with a QF 763 from Cairns to Sydney and I can tell you that the security check was 1000 % ! I was having this flight just 2 weeks after September 11 and staff at the airport was quite nervous so they checked REALLY everything. Due this many goos spotting places where closed for public.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:32 pm

Australia is cool, mate.  Wink/being sarcastic
And you're right: much more interresting places to visit than airports.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:42 pm

Geof Dixon visited SIN in May during the height of SARS where he was given red carpet treatment by the Singapore Ministry of Transport officials and they were busy licking each other boots.

Basically Dixon reaffirmed his commitment to Singapore and blah blah blah. The Changi people must have given him a good deal!

think QF will remain in Singapore for the near future, with BA routing its AUS flights through SIN too.

Yes EK is doing DXB-SYD fr Oct but remember they are starting DXB-SIN-BNE and DXB-SIN-somewhere-AKL too.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:45 pm

Did you visit Australian airports Stefan ?
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:54 pm

No, i went to BNE from FRA (stop in SIN for 2 hours each), went to my friends at sunshine coast, visited marochydore airport at sunshine coast. I love those little airports: 2 x a day a 737 or 717, 5 to 6 x a day a shorts 360. Then i visited BNE airport twice.
What airline you flew with, Chris?
Know that gulf air will fly to australia ?
seems as if we get cheap tickets cause lots of airlines are flying to australia again  Wink/being sarcastic)
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 9:58 pm

To Stefandotde !

DXB is not in Europe. And the A340-500 has a much longer range than the A380. So if the A340-500 not is able to fly, lets say FRA - SYD, the A380 is very far from.

regarding SAS getting the A380, I don't think so. Looking back to the 70's, you will see that SAS has gone from the B747 and DC10 to first the B767, and now recently to the A340-300 and A330-300. So the A380 will be much to large for the Scandinavia marked.

BUT the A380 in SAS colors would be some.


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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:01 pm

Yes, I wouldn't mind if the prices will get cheaper ...  Big grin by the way I love Gulf Air's new color sheme ... it's looks great at their A340s ...

I flew with SIA. I had a great flight and a superb connecting flight from Singapore to Sydney (perfect weather). I would chose SIA anytime again !

In 2000 I visited New Zealand and I flew with ANZ from Frankfurt to Auckland via LAX and Nadi. 27 hours real flight time and 2 2 hours stops at LAX and Nadi. It was an exhausting flight but the airline is amazing. A few days ago I notived that ANZ is longer serving Frankfurt. I guess the only airport in Europe is Heathrow. That's sad ...

 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:04 pm

I flew with QF in sep 2002, was great cause nowhere i had that cool flight-attendents. Australian-style.
Yeah, the Gulf-Color-Sheme is nice, almost as nice as qatar-color-scheme
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:08 pm

Too bad, the QF F/As I had on my domestic flight were not that cool ... mostly elder women ...  Big grin

 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:12 pm

Chris, you needn't marry them! lol
But i think that's not the theme of the chatroom. We should go into single-chat and i could give you some tips about aussie-women  Wink/being sarcastic
But i fear nobody would be interrested into that sort of talks here. hehe
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:13 pm

LOL ...

Good idea ... you can drop me a line at junker_c@web.de ...  Smile

But now I have to leave here ... a client is waiting for me ...  Sad
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:15 pm

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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:19 pm

I think the A340 has enough range to fly from Perth to places such as Athens, Malta & Cyprus, basically the Mediterranean region.

However, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for QF to order this aircraft type. I also doubt that they would consider flying nonstop from Perth or Darwin to any parts of Europe.




 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:30 pm

Hi, MEA-Fan.
Just would be fine if QF is flying nonstop SYD-FRA. But of course their prefered destination is LON.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:52 pm

God knows what the future holds in airplane technology, but if they want to fly LON-Australia nonstop, they'd better develop a pretty quick aircraft. 24 hours nonstop on an aircraft would be pretty miserable from the view of a passenger, and from my view, too. I enjoy stopping off in Singapore. There's time for a walk around, and sometimes for a drink and a snack. We'll see what the manufacturers come up with in future to create these flights, but journey time needs to be reduced!

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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Wed Jul 30, 2003 10:57 pm

You're totally right, 2 hours stopping in SIN for just walking around etc is nice. And what timetable will we have then?
23.55 dep FRA, 01.20 SYD am?
Don't know the London-Times for the QF-flights. But 2 hours for a stop in SIN are great, so you leave late evening and arrive in early morning.
But faster planes would be great, you're right.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:21 am

SAS will never get the A380 in their fleet. SAS have more than enoughf filling their A340..not to mention all their other planes. SAS just announced that their three hubs (Copenhagen, Stockholm and Oslo) will be operating more independent that what they have been doing so far. This means that SAS will need more planes witha seating capacity of approx 100 passengers....not 555 passengers...unfortunately.

Neither Copenhagen, Stockholm or Oslo airport is fitted to serve the A380
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:38 am

Nonstop LHR-SYD with an A380 will not be possible; the A380s will operate the Kangaroo route LHR-Australia with a stop in Bangkok or Singapore, just as the 744s currently do. QF also will not be dropping its Singapore hub, which is very important for the intercontinental route network - QF effeciently funnels passengers traveling between Europe and Asia/various Australian cities through the SIN hub and it works and eases travel and connection times. One of the key reasons that QF went for the A380 is that, by using the Singapore hub system, they have the demand to fill up huge airliners flying on routes such as LHR-SIN and SIN-SYD/MEL.

EK is experimenting with a Dubai-Australia nonstop flights which avoid a stop in BKK/SIN, but for pax travelling between Europe and Australia, it is simply a trading a connection in SIN or BKK for a connection in Dubai.....an interesting alternative that may save an hour or so in flight time, but nothing more than that.

Is the travelling public ready for a 20+ hour nonstop flight between LHR and SYD, maybe, if an aircraft was developed, but certainly not with a 31 or 32 inch seat pitch in economy class.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:40 am

Soon London and Frankfurt will be their only European destinations and since they dont fly to anyplace beyond bangkok, why dot QF turn whats left of their European operations trans-Pacific via the US?

They used to fly to Greece, Yugoslavia(renamed as Serbia & Montenegro now), Holland, Italy and France any others?
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:45 am

QF/BA arent keen on using PER as a gateway. The only aircraft which could reach western Europe from eastern Australia would be a heavily restricted 772LR, and that's skirting the edge of its range (take MEL-FCO for example). The A345 cannot realistically cover the distance, and the A388 is a far cry from being able to do so itself.
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Thu Jul 31, 2003 7:05 am

Airmale: There are several reasons why QF flies the Kanagroo route and does not convert its Europe-Australia service to a transpacific operation - first, the Kangaroo Route via BKK or SIN is a couple of hours quicker, second, the QF hub operation in SIN is one of the best, third, there is more to Australia than SYD and MEL - travel time between London and Perth or Adelaide would increase greatly with a transpacific routing, fourth, QF sells lots of seats between Europe and SIN/BKK/HKG, and, finally, oneWorld partner and 25% stock owner British Airways would not like it.

Air New Zealand does the transpacific routing, but due to geography, it makes sense as Europe-New Zealand is a bit quicker via LAX and Europe-Australia is a bit quicker via SIN/BKK.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Fri Aug 01, 2003 8:17 am

If ever Boeing were to revisit its subsonic cruiser, and if it were to produce an economical, long range version, capable of flying LHR-SYD non-stop, I believe that it could have a dramatic effect on the market, particularly at the top end (business end) of the market, and could be quite appealing to QF.
As indicated in previous messages, a flight time of 16 hours, which would be nudging the outer limits of current long haul flights, is quite feasible:
Current timetables show a total flying time from LHR to SYD via SIN of about 21.25 hrs (excluding the stopover); taking out the effect of the descent and takeoff, together with a straightening (shortening) of the flightpath that could be possible as there would be no need to fly over SIN, could possibly reduce this to about 20 hrs.
A further reduction of up to 20%, due to the faster speed, could see this then drop to about 16 hrs – a total saving of about 7 hours (including the stopover), or about 30%, on the current flight.
This would mean arriving in SYD “1-3 hours” after you leave LHR, depending on the seasons and daylight saving regimes:
LHR [+1] dp 18:00 09:00
SYD [+10] ar 19:00 +1 10:00 +1
Going the other way, flying time would be a bit longer (about 17 hours):
SYD [+10] dp 10:00 22:00
LHR [+1] ar 18:00 06:00 +1
I believe that the savings in time, as well as the more favourable travel logistics that it would create, would be appealing to a fair section of the business market which would be prepared to pay a premium for such a service.
Indeed, the possibility of non-stop services from Australia to Europe, eliminating the need to go via SIN, would pose a major threat to SQ and was one of the motivations – perhaps the motivation - for it wanting to buy into AN, so that it too, indirectly, could offer such a service via its subsidiary.
Other long haul possibilities for QF could be SYD-JFK, where the current total flying time of about 20.50 hours (including the stopover at LAX) could be reduced to about 15 hours non-stop.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Fri Aug 01, 2003 8:49 am

Everything I've been hearing is Sydney-Perth-London when the A380 gets here.

QF have already positioned staff in Perth - a sign of things to come?

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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Fri Aug 01, 2003 10:07 am

I have no reason to doubt you QANTASFOREVER, so don't take this personally, but why the hell would QF operate the 380 via Perth to LHR ?? Perth would basically be a tech stop, at least via SIN or BKK there is O/D traffic through both ports.
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Fri Aug 01, 2003 12:56 pm

Jupiter2,

It's merely speculation at this point.

You'd have to ask Qantas for more info.

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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:25 pm

Geoff Dixon said that 20% of QF's revenue passes through SIN everyday.

I'm interested to know wha percentage of that actually originates in SIN, or comes from SIN-Europe/Asia traffic and not just the Australia-final destination traffic.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Sat Aug 02, 2003 1:24 am

QFF

The staff based at PER are for WA domestic flights only.

I dont beleive there is any advantage to flying PER-LHR nonstop. Apart from Perth residents, passengers on QFs AUS-UK runs would have to connect through PER. Not only would it be a back track for some PER isnt the nicest place to connect and it definately doesnt compare to changi.
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:02 am

Megatop,

And the A340-500 has a much longer range than the A380.

This is only true for the first A380. The A380F has different flaps and an additional compartment in the wing box. This box will be used for extra fuel on the A380 Long Range. There will be a A380 “LR” shortly after the A380F. Airbus planers designed the A380F so that it could carry higher weight and make the A380 “LR” from it. The A380 “LR” will be capable of over 16,000km maybe even over 17,000km.


 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:17 am

Osteogenesis: 16,000 - 17,000 km is not enough for a nonstop flight from central europe to australian east-coast.
 
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:18 am

can the A340-600 make it nonstop from sydney to london?
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:41 am

an the A340-600 make it nonstop from sydney to london?

not even close
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RE: Qantas Nonstop To Europe?

Sat Aug 02, 2003 5:40 am

If you recall, in 1989 QF did a ferry with VH-OJA their first B744 when the aircraft did a LON-SYD non-stop - a distance of just over 17000kms. It was the then record for the longest flight by a commercial airliner. I remember they had to strip off practically everything from the airplane to save weight, and ultimately used up 183.5 tonnes of fuel doing this with an empty airplane.

No way can they do this non-stop with any of the current airplanes. Even the A340-500 with its range of 15000+kms will need to take a breather somewhere in between.

The 777-200LR maybe??

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