aa757first
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AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:11 am

I was looking at some flights recently and I noticed that AirTran's, while not the highest, weren't the lowest. I dug deeper and found these fares (from Expedia).

All flights: 1/10/04 to 1/17/04
BOS to FLL - AA $241, FL $247
MDW to DFW - DL $266, FL $269
BWI to LAS - AA $266, FL $271
PHL to LAX - HP $317, FL $323

Now AirTran isn't too far off, but standard carriers like AA and DL are supposed to be weak prey for FL.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:28 am

Here we go again...BOS-FLL leaving tomorrow and coming back on Tuesday is $436 on FL and $1,215 on AA.

Being able to "out lowfare the lowfare" carriers isn't doing too much for the old profit and loss statement.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:47 am

Aa757first,

What is the purpose of your post? Maybe I could do like Goingboeing did, and find an AA fare that is 3 times that of FL, then start a thread entitled "AA gouges pax by 300%". That would be just as relevant as your post.

If you want to post some meaningful numbers, then post the 2Q financial results for AA and FL. Nah...I didn't think you'd want to do that.  Insane
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:01 am

Eh, no matter what their fares are compared to other carriers...look at what their costs are compared to other carriers. Thats what matters. Fares can be changed in an instant, costs can't.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:31 am

I just booked an AirTran BWI-MKE advance roundtrip this month for $116, and I could have had $111 if I had wanted to use the morning flight. Yep, if they weren't flying that route, you know Midwest and the Cartel-network carriers would be rushing to offer $111-$116 advance RT.  Big grin

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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:43 am

How can Midwest compete with AirTran? They simply cannot with that fare. Look how many more seats airtran has on their 717's than midwest does. If they offered the same fare look where the break even factor would be respectively. It is these low fare carriers that have totally reshaped the domestic industry in the United States, much like Ryanair in Europe. When people go by the lowest fare, YX simply cannot fairly compete. This is what is causing the implementation of the 'Saver Service', and i would be surprised if it eventually took over the whole airline. The LCC revolution is gradually claiming the best domestic carrier this country has had in decades, lets all enjoy 2-2 while we can.  Smile

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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:02 am

aa757first,

The reason why AirTran's prices are higher are because unlike the other airline mentioned on each routing, AirTran does not offer a direct flight between those cities, so one will have to change planes in Atlanta. So your thread is misleading, because you fail to mention that the AirTran flights were not direct flights.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:33 am

Srbmod, this is true, but if you wanted to fly BOS to FLL, would you care? As a matter of fact AA wins two ways: with the best fare and the added convenience of a direct flight. MDW to DFW both stop in ATL (or with DL you can chose CVG), BWI to LAS, AA connect in DFW, FL in ATL. PHL to LAX, HP connect in LAS, FL connect in ATL.

DCA-ROCguy:
Look at the Midwest 717 and the AirTran 717. Nope, Midwest can't be as cheap as AirTran.

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M717, AMR Corporation lost $0.47 a share this quarter and, while I know FL made a profit, I can't find the number.

Goingboeing: Sure, you can save with FL, if you book ONE day in advance.


 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:54 am

aa757first,

Post all day long if you like, but Airtran is still going to be standing while AA or Midwest goes through some radical changes to compete, or die. Low Cost Airlines have the day. Every airline wants to be like them.

The times ..they are a changin.

Bonanza
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:00 am

Bonanza,
You are right, the times are a changin. Sad But, not every airline wants to be like them, they HAVE TO be like them. Midwest didn't jump at the chance to be like AirTran, they would lose everything that makes them special, and keeps flyers like myself coming back.

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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:34 am

"AMR Corporation lost $0.47 a share this quarter and, while I know FL made a profit, I can't find the number. "

I'd be glad to tell you, without government subsidies, AirTran earned $0.28 a share. With government subsidies, AirTran earned $0.74 a share. From the Atlanta Journal Constitution; "AirTran's shares are up 224 percent over the past seven months, from $3.90 at the end of 2002 to a close of $12.62 Friday."

Makes the stockholders, as well as myself and fellow employees quite happy.

JP

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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:44 am

You are right, the times are a changin. But, not every airline wants to be like them, they HAVE TO be like them. Midwest didn't jump at the chance to be like AirTran, they would lose everything that makes them special, and keeps flyers like myself coming back. Justin

Midwest can save themselves in the new economic situation, I think. Justin, you are correct that Midwest could become entirely "Saver Service." But they don't have to lose their special touch entirely in doing so:

--Convert the fleet to *all 717.* YX can reach anywhere in the US from MKE, MCI, or OMA with the 717. Standardize the fleet.
--Switch seating to "Saver" 2-3 on all planes. Sorry, 2-2 will need to go, but like JetBlue they could still have leather seats and good seat pitch.
--JetBlue spent a load on its DirecTV system, and has the lowest CASM in the industry. What JetBlue spent on DirecTV, Midwest should spend on *on-the-ground* flight catering. Have someone make the nice meals and bake the fresh cookies *on the ground.* Hand each passenger a box meal with cookies as they board. Anyone who's worked for a large corporation or gov't knows how good box meals can be if the caterer is good. These meals of course can be distributed to pax on mainline *and* Skyway flights.

What would still make Midwest special is that they can distribute the meals to all pax without extra charge. Before long, we can be pretty sure that all food other than peanuts on Cartel-network carriers will be sold on board, if at all.

That way, YX could turn the tables--lower their CASM, still offer good service, and offer their Milwaukee hub. Yes, the Skyway flights would probably still be more expensive, but most of them are probably connecting, and their overall fare could be lower.

Jim
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:57 am

And why aren't you working up in Milwaukee, Jim, with all the answers?

Not everybody out there wants LCCs.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:59 am

DCA-ROCguy, which is more important, legroom or width? Here's my idea:

All 717 fleet, like you said.

Keep 2 by 2.

Reduce pitch from 34 to 32.

Have someone from catering place the cookies on the pan, all ready to go, then have a F/A put it in the oven and bake them in-flight.

Have limited food charge. For example, a $4 meal is sold at $2.

Switch to internet booking only.

Have only E-tickets

Also, instead of satellite TV, have shows and movies on demand. The screens could say during take-off "Midwest Airlines - Powered by Sony." Midwest could get shows for free (or close to it.)

How's that?
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 8:17 am

Well heres my 2 cents worth for YX:

Personally, i would prefer pitch over width, maybe thats just because im not very wide myself, lol.

definitely have the 717's replace all DC-9's. The MD-80s will be around awhile in the 143/147 configuration serving vacation destinations through a new partnership with Mark Travel/Funjet.

IFE is definitely a good idea, something like Aa757first said would be great to have. YX ditched their pretty good audio IFE a few years ago, i am not real familiar with the reason they did this.

And lastly, while restoring food service to what it once was would be optimal, i know its a long shot. I would like to see meals of that caliber for sale then, rather than 'in flight cafe' box lunch types. Their meals were incredible. On dinner flights back home to MKE from LGA they served filet and lobster tail. No joke, and every flight over 1:30 had a full size meal, even red eyes had either pasta salad or similar on china, or a sandwich with full hershey bar. What im trying to say, is if im going to pay for food, i want to atleast think it is great.
Oh, and with the CC cookies issue, they are warmed inflight, and served from a big pile on the cart. (atleast all flights get cookies now, in the days off full meal service, it was usually only lunch flights, which could be a bummer)

Midwest has avoided chapter 11 for now,a nd hopefully profitablitity comes soon...long live YX. The last thing i want to see is the further development of this NWA 'mini-hub' here in MKE. When northwest has a city in control, we know what happens, $$$ ^^^, and no cookies.  Angry

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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 8:27 am

Yeah I looked into FL, they wanted 290$ DFW-DAY, with a stop in ATL. While AA wanted 230$ direct, with better times.
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 8:39 am

While I'm not "wide", jetBlue, Song and AA are advertising great pitch, so Midwest could advertise this as their own.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 8:46 am

And why aren't you working up in Milwaukee, Jim, with all the answers? Not everybody out there wants LCCs.

Why do you think I'm flying up there? Big grin Just kidding, I'm going to see friends.

Let's see:
Midwest: fighting off Ch. 11.
AirTran: profitable, and stock price rising.

The market is speaking pretty clearly, you're in the minority. I'd like to see Midwest stick around as much as anyone else, but they need to change if that is to happen. Regarding pitch vs. width, Midwest would likely have to go with pitch. 2-2 vs. 2-3 is simply too much capacity lost. With 2-3 seating and 32" or 33" pitch, a 717 could probably still seat 100.

I'm leery of doing *any* cooking or heating in flight. That requires expensive on-board ovens and kitchens, which need to be maintained even if already on board existing a/c. All food preparation should, I think, be done on the ground, and a completed box handed to passengers. Such meals could include items like filet mignon or lobster if YX wants, and maybe a small charge like you suggest Aa757first. But there shouldn't be any china to wash.

How much does non-satellite on-board IFE cost? If it can be done cheaply, maybe, but again, we're talking radical surgery to save YX. My own hunch is that food more than IFE defines Midwest. All resources should, I think, be put in that direction. But it's really interesting to hear all the suggestions.

Jim
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 8:59 am

Midwest will most likely not go to 3 by 2. Why? Front page of the 2002 annual report: "These customer-friendly aircraft will feature our signature two-by-two leather seats."
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 9:11 am

Well yeah, 2 X 2 was the plan for the 717's and everything else in the fleet for that matter at that time. Since then, 5 MD-80s have been set for 'saver service' and 2 X 3 refurbishment. If saver service takes off, 2 X 3 is not out of the question for the 717's.
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 9:16 am

Also ( i should have added this before) there is not much of a question about width vs. pitch. Tightening up the pitch to 31-32 will add, oh, about 3 rows of seating, or 12 seats. Going 3-2, you keep your pitch and rows the same, but add another row of seats, instantly 31 more seats. Makes more sense.
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:34 am

Midwest will most likely not go to 3 by 2. Why? Front page of the 2002 annual report: "These customer-friendly aircraft will feature our signature two-by-two leather seats."

Would that Midwest could do that, Justin. But the airline's financials have worsened since during 2002. The most relavant front pages are those of 2003 editions of the the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. They report that Midwest is barely fighting off bankruptcy, and pleading with Milwaukee County for help. What the last year's annual report said can change very, very quickly when a company is staring into the abyss of Ch. 11, or worse, Ch. 7. If management decides that 2 x 3 seating needs to become standard airline-wide, they'll do it.

Long live YX, indeed. Let's hope they find the right formula to profit in the new industry economic environment.

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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:35 am

AirTran's fares are so low, you can't say no!
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:39 am

"Not everybody out there wants LCCs."

Maybe. But obviously, not enough people wanted the product that Midwest was offering, hence their difficulties. They must adapt or disappear. Even now, it may be too late.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:50 am

several of the above comments were very accurate, the most important of which was the comment that aiirtran's costs are significantly lower. now, to understand low-cost carriers (also known as low-fare carriers), you have to appreciate that this moniker applies to business travel (last minute travel). all airlines offer low fares if you book them at the right time. it is very common to find the lowest fare for a specific route on one of the "service" (major hub and spoke) carriers, but usually this requires a significantly early booking (at least 14 or 21 days). the catch, is the last minute walk-up fare. while aa or delta might match or beat one of the low-cost fares, their respective walk-up fares will usually be astronomical. now, you may find the walk-up fares are near the same as the low-cost carrier because the major wants to match the lcc, but know that on uncompetitive routes, that high-cost carrier will have extremely high walk-up fares. conversely, southwest and jetblue, ata, airtran, and america west all promise fares no higher than $299 each way (walk up). when southwest first did this, it was unprecedented. that's why, even when the majors may offer an equal or even cheaper fare, southwest loyalists will still chose swa, because they're honest and fare and passengers aren't baffled by some arcane fare structure.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:54 am

M717,
Before the troubles the airline industry has faced in the aftermath of 9/11, Midwest was doing alright. They were not rapidly expanding, they never did. They always had conservative growth and seemed comfortable with their operations and loyal business customer base here in milwaukee. They have been around since 1984 in that market, if not enough people wanted the product they were offering, they wouldnt have seen 1990. You cant always measure success by how many new routes you open up a year, or how you reduce costs. They clearly have not been as aggresive and keen on conquering new markets such as airlines these days. This approach allowed them to be a very stable, reliable, and consistant airline enabling them to win vitrually every award almost like clockwork. Enough people wanted the product they have offered for 19 years, will enough people want it in the future? we shall see.......
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:08 am

Here's a good example of a rapidly growing carrier. Were they making money? Yeah, lots of it. Were they buying new planes? Yep. Were they adding routes? Yes, they were. ValuJet! They were profitable, had lots of planes, added new routes and they died at three. I'm inclined to agree with JpetekYXMD80.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:14 am

Hey Aa757first,

ValuJet became the current AirTran, one of the more successful and profitable airline companies currently flying. Still making money, still expanding, buying new planes, adding routes, etc. Their traffic and revenues are at record levels. The current management team is doing very, very well. The stock has gained almost 250% in value over the past year.

Died at three? Spend a little more time actually researching these companies instead of relying on what you pick up off the internet that is years and years old.


[Edited 2003-08-04 04:18:46]
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:17 am

Air Tran has made quite an impact on ICT in terms of lowering fares.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:21 am

Valujet had new airplanes?
 
aa757first
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:24 am

M717, you consider ValuJet successful? They killed a 105 people, was grounded, and then came back only to see no one would fly them. As a matter of fact, ValuJet purchased AirTran Airways for $66 million in stock. ValuJet transferred all of their DC-9 aircraft to the new company, and reapplied a new color scheme. Of course, ValuJet sold the MD-80 type aircraft.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:26 am

"Valujet had new airplanes?"

I was going to comment on that, but they did place the order to be the launch customer for the MD-95, even though it was the current AirTran which actually took the deliveries.

So, I gave him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:28 am

The MD-80's and DC-9-20's were new to Air Tran's fleet at their peak.

Valujet took all of the blame for their Everglades crash when it was the falsification of maintenance documents on Oxygen generators that took the airplane down. It could have been any airline, but it happened to Valujet. Although, Valujet did have some major maintenance lapses.

Overall, they were decent...not really any different than Air South, Kiwi or Delta at the time.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:29 am

Sorry. ValuJet had "new for them airplanes". Great sources, too. THY (Turk Hava Yollari) or something like that. Anyway, I thought people would know that.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:30 am

aa757first

I think its past your bed time.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:30 am

Not that the MD-80's were that young either...weren't they MD-81's?
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:32 am

I think its past your bed time.

 Smile  Smile  Smile  Smile  Smile  Smile  Smile
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:33 am

Aa757,

If you read my post, I said the CURRENT AirTran is successful. Right?

And if the truth be known, it was SabreTech that "killed 105 people", and faced criminal charges because of it, but we won't go there.

[Edited 2003-08-04 04:35:36]
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:35 am

Not sure. I did snatch up an MD-80 safety Card from ValuJet! It just says "MD-80 Series." Rumorboy, I'm allowed up until 11:00 PM.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:35 am

I say lets take a vote.

Who has more posts on airliners.net? Airtran or UA. Seems every time I come on this board its either about airtran or United.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:36 am

I would've like to have flown on the DC-9 Sports. I got a lot Valujet stuff from the Underground in ATL when they were big.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:37 am

Im so glad you get to stay up that late!!
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:38 am

Well, it may not be past Aa757's bedtime, but it's past mine, so g'nite y'all!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:40 am

"you consider ValuJet successful? They killed a 105 people"

By your logic, the airline you take your name from would be considered quite unsuccessful, many times over....ORD...LIT...

You're failing to mention that all of the DC-9's that everyone is so skeptical of (for no reason) will be gone in about two months. While AirTran's historical makeup is rooted in Valujet, that's about as far as the comparison goes. Our management team is quite possibly the best group of exectutives at any carrier. According to DOT reports, our Completion Factor, Mishandled Bags, and Customer Complaints are some of the best in the industry, Top 5 in all categories. The reason we stand apart is because of our people. We are obviously very proud to be part of a company that is climbing while the rest falter. While the rest are disgruntled and worried about whether or not they have enough seniority to keep their jobs, we continue to hire. Your historical data is only worth so much...and that amount is very little.

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Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:47 am

Oh...I have no doubt that the Air Tran management and crew are very proud of themselves right now...high profits, low costs, great BOEING airplanes. There is a lot of media attention with Southwest, Jetblue and Air Tran.

I flew Air Tran about a month ago to ATL for the day...from ICT. The service was great, on time arrivals and departures, and the crew was more courteous and friendly than on most majors.

Believe me!!! The Wichita community, including myself, was very worried that Air Tran would leave after their two year contract. I'm glad people here are recognizing Air Tran. It's even showing up in our company email.

I hope Air Tran stays around for years to come and I can't wait to see those 737's.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:55 am

Yeah, AA also carried 108 million people last year, meaning, because of the sheer number of their flights, they will have more. I know AirTran carried less than 19 million. AirTran's fatal event rate is 5.88, while AA is at 0.52. Good to know FL beat AeroPeru.

http://www.airsafetyonline.com/safetycenter/reportcard.shtml
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:56 am

Aa757,
Don't let these guys get you down, they just look at your age and think you dont know airlines from your reflection in the mirror, keep on stating what you feel. Im sure they have all made stupider posts than yours, and if Airtran kept the name 'Valujet' they most certainly had the reputation that would have caused them to go under.
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:57 am

But AA customer service sucks. Don't know about Aero Peru.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2003 11:58 am

Thanks, JpetekYXMD80.
 
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RE: AirTran's Fares Aren't So Low...

Mon Aug 04, 2003 12:03 pm

Hey! I prefer to fly AA. I flew on AA enough to rack up 200,000 miles...that includes all of the bonus miles and Alaska Airlines flights. I really did enjoy the "More Room In Coach." It was very reminiscent of Air Cal.

As a child, I held a grudge with AA for taking Air Cal away...not knowing, of course, the circumstances. I felt the same way when AA took Reno Air. Again, the circumstance thing.

My wife prefers AA because of the legroom as well.

I also think that the One World Alliance has the best make-up of airlines.