highliner2
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AA's 737NGs

Tue Aug 05, 2003 3:06 pm

How many 737NG's does AA still have on order?

And...

Is AA still expecting to take delivery of them eventually?
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717SK
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:40 pm

According Boeing home page 47 737-800 outstanding.
 
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:42 pm

AA will once they get reorganized
 
Tan Flyr
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Tue Aug 05, 2003 11:10 pm

If I recall correctly, those have been deferred. There was a batch of 777's and 767's that Boeing was too far along to do anything about and AA is/has taken delivery of all/most of them.
A number of the 738's were converted on the line at Renton for Qantas earlier this year as I remember.

AA has hundreds of 737NG options available over the next 7-10 years, as well as options remaining on 777's and maybe even 767's(?).

As discussed in a thread a week or 2 ago..in a few years(5-7?), once they are making some money, I would believe that AA start exercising some of those options to begin the replacement of the MD-80..tho I expect that to be a slower process that we have seen in the past..just to keep costs in check.

Maybe Ben Soriano will see this and add..he seems to have some inside info!


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RE: AA's 737NGs

Wed Aug 06, 2003 12:08 am

American has 77 737-823s in the fleet right now, with 47 more still "on order". I think 1 more 738 will be delivered this year, while the rest are deferred until further notice. AA also still has 763 & 772 orders on the books yet. Regards.
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Wed Aug 06, 2003 2:23 am

What about the B752's that AA has.

They are not planning on ordering more?

Or are they planning in changing their B752's with B738's?
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FlagshipAZ
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Wed Aug 06, 2003 7:03 am

AA has 124 757-223s and 27 other 752s from the TWA purchase. AFAIK, American isn't ordering any more 757s nor planning to phase out their 757s any time soon. The 151-strong 757 fleet will be around for the foreseeable future. Regards.
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langfordkyle
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Wed Aug 06, 2003 7:56 pm

I still think that AA should have kept all of those 717's TWA ordered/had. At least they probalby wouldnt still have those dang fokker's.
 
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Thu Aug 07, 2003 1:44 am

American has close to 400 NG737's, 600/700/800 series aircraft, on option and if converted to firm orders deliveries might continue through the mid 2010's. That was the deal American signed with Boeing in 1996, the order started with 75 737-823's with options for 425 more, then a few more were converted to firm orders which brought the total number of airframes to over 100 on firm order, however 15 of those were converted for deliveries to Qantas.

The MD-80's are still young but they will in a few years time approach replacement time, so assuming American Airlines gets reorganized and the industry recovers from its crisis, some of the options still held on NG737's will likely be converted to firm orders. The youngest MD-80, ex-TWA bird, is only three years old but the oldest one nearly turns 20! There are for the moment over 350 MD-80's at American including those coming from TWA, so it will be a long time before they are all gone and replaced with NG737's. Today, there are lots of MD-80's in service in American's domestic system but this will change next decade, there'll be fewer MD-80's and more NG737's around. Remember 20 years ago, there were lots of 727's around in American's domestic route system with the first few MD-80's showing up: two pilots and two engines, versus three pilots and three engines! The ex-Reno MD-87's and MD-90's have already been phased out. So to be clear: you will likely see lots of AA Super 80's till at least the end of the decade.
I would be very surprised if American doesn't exercise any of the options mentioned above and choose instead the Airbus A32X family, it's unlikely but not impossible. Until 1993, nobody thought that United, a long time Boeing customer, would ever go Airbus. Folks, this is not a Boeing vs Airbus argument, I'm only speculating about American's future fleet.

The Boeing 757's have all been delivered, none are on order. There are I think 122 B757-223's delivered factory fresh from Boeing and 27 B757-231's coming from TWA. Boeing probably delivered 124 75's to American but if you look at the safety record two were lost in disasters. One was lost in Cali Columbia in 1995 and another one was lost 9-11 in Washington DC. The 223's are RR powered and approved for ETOPS flights but the 231's are PW powered and not ETOPS qualified. I think that the ex-TWA 757's will be gone before the end of the decade, along with the Fokkers, while American is reducing capacity to where it was in 2000, the ex-TWA 757's and the Fokkers are next to go now that the 727's and ex-Reno birds are gone. American had drastically reduced the number of fleet types.

So to summarize, American's fleet next decade will be as follows:
B737-800 (and maybe 600 and 700)
B757 (RR powered 223 only)
B767 (definitely the 300ER's)
B777
MD-80 as discussed intensively in this post
A300-600
By that time, the 767-200's and the A300's will be on their way out.

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FlagshipAZ
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:23 am

Just to clarify some facts by Ben (American 767), AA did ordered 126 757-223s...2 which are now gone forever. The Cali accident & the Sept 11th disaster. As of June 1st, AA still has 58 F-100s in service, 2 763s, 9 772s & 47 738s still on the order book. While not trying to steal Ben's thunder here, he is, in my opinion a very good source of info on American Airlines. Just thought I'd inject my two cents worth here. Regards.
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:59 am

I still think that AA should have kept all of those 717's TWA ordered/had. At least they probalby wouldnt still have those dang fokker's.

AA strives for fleet commonality. Keeping the 717 would go against that policy.
 
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:35 am

"Until 1993, nobody thought that United, a long time Boeing customer, would ever go Airbus. Folks, this is not a Boeing vs Airbus argument, I'm only speculating about American's future fleet."

Two reasons why AA would not choose Airbus (again).

First their "gentleman's" agreement with Boeing guranteed them the lowest price, I wonder if Boeing could raise AA's lease payments if they were to buy Airbus.

Second after the "blame game" antics after the flight 587 crash I think AA will not buy another Airbus, Airbus went overboard (imo) blaming AA's pilots, their training and maintenance procedures.

I think Airbus could have acknowleged "some blame", instead they blamed AA.

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RE: AA's 737NGs

Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:17 am

I still think that AA should have kept all of those 717's TWA ordered/had. At least they probalby wouldnt still have those dang fokker's.

The lease rates on those things were terrible, and AA could not afford it. But don't hang up the 717-223 idea yet.
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RE: AA's 737NGs

Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:29 am

BR715 is right -- due to TWA's lousy credit, the lease on the 717s was terrible and couldn't be renegotiated. If that weren't a factor, I think AA would have stuck with them (they obviously hate the F-100s they have now).

As for the Airbus question, I seriously doubt "American" Airlines would order more Airbuses, but who knows. If they do, however, it won't be for a long time. With so many 737NG options, that's definitely its plane of choice to replace its older MD-80s. On a completely non-technical note, I think an A320 or A319 would just look plain weird in an AA color scheme.
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