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Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:07 am

Just wondering if anyone know why on some flight from Asia to NY and back sometime they have to stop in anchorage sometime they just go non-stop.

Does this has anything to do with political agreement or is it because of the weather? Because I think the aircraft they use are capable on nonstop route such as HKG-JFK  Smile
 
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:09 am

The stop is usually on the Westbound flight from N. America to Asia. The reason is that the jetstream is a headwind on those flights.
 
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 4:15 am

Techinical stops at Anchorage were routine in the pre 744, 777 and A340 days....many flights between the USA and Japan/Far East and Europe and Japan stopped in Anchorage for fuel. NW flew ORD-Tokyo via Anchorage with a 742, Swissair flew ZRH-Tokyo via Anchorage with a DC10, and Pan Am flew JFK-Tokyo via Fairbanks with 707, as examples. When DL introduced its LAX-HKG service (now discontinued), its L1011-500s flew LAX-ANC-Hong Kong.

With the longer-range airlines, stops in Anchorage (or Fairbanks) could be eliminated for quicker travel times.......and pax prefer nonstop services. Anchorage airport at one time was a very, very interesting airport to spot foreign airliners. Now, a few passenger flights stopover in Anchorage mainly flying westbound where strong headwinds can be an issue during certain times of the year.....I could be wrong, but some recent examples are Seoul-JFK and HongKong-Toronto.

Cargo carriers routinely stop in Anchorage....cargo airliners flying fully loaded have range limitations, thus even a fully loaded 744F flying between Tokyo and San Francisco may have to make a stop.
 
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 4:29 am

Minor issue, but you said that Swissair once flew ZRH-NRT with a stop at ANC? This doesn't make sense to me; with a great circle, seems like the typical stop (if it were available then) would have been somewhere in northern Russia. Is my geography that bad?
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:05 am

LH Cargo stops in Fairbanks on routes between FRA and NRT.
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:11 am

Doesn't CX JFK-HKG service stop in ANC for fuel? That is (was) flown with 343.
 
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:29 am

Ssides - Up until the mid 90s, access to Russian airspace was very limited, especially for western carriers. Most European countries had reciprocal rights that allowed them to overfly Soviet airspace, but they were required to stop in Moscow, and only a very limited number of flights a week. In markets where daily service was warranted, the only other option was over the pole w/ a technical stop in Anchorage, or the southern route, w/ multiple stops. That's why carriers like Swissair, Air France, British, etc., all operated through Anchorage.

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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:29 am

LH Cargo stopping at Fairbanks is a diversion of over 1400 miles via the Great Circle.

Are we sure its not for actual cargo reasons as opposed to being a tech stop only?

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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 1:12 pm

Doesn't EVA made stop either at anchorage or Seattle too between TPE and NY?? I don't know on which way though... And is this because the one china political thing?? I know they are using 744 on this route :P
 
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 2:22 pm

Anchorage has also sort of become a hub for certain cargo carriers... CX is a good example. It has slowly become a fairly inexpensive port of entry city (in comparison to other cities) and has also become a gateway to the US.
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:07 pm

CX's JFK pax flight is a B747 with stop at YVR cause CX has the traffic right to pick up and drop off pax from YVR to JFK vv, however the cargo flights from HKG to JFK/ORD do make the tech stop at ANC together with the HKG/YYZ Pax flight during Summer, in Winter, only the West bound flight back to HKG needs to Stop.
 
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:08 pm

Well, effective today CX is cutting the ANC tech stop for their YYZ-HKG flights and will run it YYZ-YVR-HKG instead.
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 4:51 pm

Cargo flights carry much more weight(payload) then passenger flights,so basically all cargo flights stop in ANC to/from Asia.

Also some cargo airlines like FedEX,Northwest,UPS,JAL use Anchorage as a place to cross-load cargo (ie. 1 airplane's route is NRT-ANC-JFK, another airplane's route might be HKG-ANC-LAX, and another might be TPE-ANC-ORD, and another might be KIX-ANC-ATL) so cargo comes from all different cities in Asia and can loaded on other airplanes to all different parts of the USA.

The passenger airlines currently using ANC as a stop over and routes are:
Korean Air: JFK-ANC-ICN and ICN-ANC-JFK

Asiana Airlines: JFK-ANC-ICN,Eastbound is non-stop ICN-JFK

China Airlines: JFK-ANC-TPE and TPE-ANC-JFK (East bound stop in ANC is during the summer only)

Cathay Pacific: YYZ-ANC-HKG and HKG-ANC-YYZ (East bound stop in ANC is during the summer only)

Hope this helps
 
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:43 pm

Gigneil,

up there there aren't so much airport to divert so it is not so strange e diversion to ANC.
 
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:49 pm

ANC in the days before the 747-400 and A340-200/300 used to be a frequent stop for airliners flying from the US East Coast to Asia. That was why Boeing developed at Pan Am's request the 747SP--a plane that could fly JFK to NRT non-stop. ANC was also heavily used by European airlines flying to Asia before the 1990's when access to Soviet airspace was generally unavailable.

Today, ANC is not commonly used as a refuelling stop unless you're flying from eastern North American cities (YYZ, JFK, IAD, etc.) all the way to HKG and beyond in Southeast Asia. With the arrival of the 777-200LR and the A340-500, even that may become obselete by 2010.

The big business at ANC nowadays is air cargo--747 Freighter versions and the MD-11F can't fly non-stop between the USA and Asian destinations, so they use ANC as a refuelling and cargo trans-shipment point. Indeed, Northwest Airlines' cargo division is based at ANC, and is a very large operation. It will be very interesting to see how the A380-800F--which can fly from MEM to NRT non-stop on a full load of palletized cargo--will change ANC's air cargo operations after 2010.
 
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RE: Technical Stop In Anchorage, Alaska

Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:50 pm

The appeal of ANC is that it is roughly equidistant to W. Europe, Japan, and much of North America.