elal106
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Thai Airways Orders Planes

Wed Aug 06, 2003 7:09 am

I am not sure if it was already mentioned on the forums or not....
From my source at Thai Airways, Thai is going to purchase 3 a340-500s and 5 a340-600s. They will also acquire 7 744s from UAL.

enjoy!
elal106

[Edited 2003-08-06 00:09:34]
 
teahan
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Wed Aug 06, 2003 8:23 am

Hey Yoni,

While there were topics in the past, there is none with today's news.

LOI was signed back in April but they got government cabinet approval for the above mentioned Airbuses and 9 B747-400s (2 new, 7 used) just today. Deliveries are expected as follows:

Octover 2003 - 6 x B747-400
October 2004 - 3 x B747-400 and 2 x A340-500
October 2005 - 2 x A340-600 and 1 x A340-600
October 2006 - 3 x A340-600

Regards,
Jeremiah
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N754PR
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:45 am

Great news for Thai... I think Orient Thai should give UA a call  Nuts
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teahan
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Wed Aug 06, 2003 8:30 pm

Actually to correct my above post, Airbus deliveries will only begin in March 2005 but I don't have an exact schedule.

Jeremiah




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scottysair
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:51 pm

I am looking forwarding to see with new Thai Airbus A345/6, too. When will be to beginning nonstop out of BKK hub? Well, talk ya later!  Smile
 
osteogenesis
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:27 am

Another win for Airbus because Boeing was to slow.

Thai had to buy the A340 because the 777 does not have the range of the A340-500. The 777-300ER was to late to win this deal.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:50 am

 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:04 am

THAI should have just ordered 8 Boeing 777-200ERs or 8 B 777-200LRs!

By the way when are MAS, TG and JAL going to be replacing their B 737-400s?
MAS nearly has 50 B 734s whilst TG has a dozen and JAL too around the same.

I hope BOEING makes an aggressive attempt to make sure they all order the B 737-800 and not the A 320!
 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:05 am

So with 6 new 744 by the end of the year, any chance off new BKK-via(?)- SFO service?
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osteogenesis
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:16 am

Behramjee,

THAI should have just ordered 8 Boeing 777-200ERs or 8 B 777-200LRs!

The 777-200ER has 1,500km less range then the A340-500. Thai needs a lot of range to make their BKK - US flights.

The 777-200LR is not available yet.

They are probably very happy with their A330.

[Edited 2003-08-06 22:18:07]
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:18 am

Thai had to buy the A340 because the 777 does not have the range of the A340-500

Hate to tell ya, but you dont have a clue what you're talking about  Big grin

1) The 772LR has longer range than the A345
2) TG prefers RR for its twinjets
3) TG's had big problems with ETOPS in the past, they even had to stop operating their 773s at ETOPS120 for a while... no way they were going to buy a twin for their ultralonghaul
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osteogenesis
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:21 am

ConcordeBoy,

Hate to tell ya, but you dont have a clue what you're talking about.

1) The 772LR has longer range than the A345


Correct me if I am wrong but I read in another thread that the 777-200LR is not yet available.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:21 am

The 777-200LR is not available yet.

Again, false information.

The aircraft is available for purchase; and while current EIS is scheduled for January 2006... Boeing has made known that it can hasten rollout (and therefore) EIS by 7 months should a client request it.
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osteogenesis
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:25 am

Sorry for that. I got this from another post. Thanks for making thinks clear.

3) TG's had big problems with ETOPS in the past, they even had to stop operating their 773s at ETOPS120 for a while... no way they were going to buy a twin for their ultralonghaul

What kind of problems did they have?
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:31 am

too many inflight-shutdowns for various reasons.

Should be noted that they chose to temporarily discontinue ETOPS on the 773s.... they werent yet at the point of being forced to
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osteogenesis
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:41 am

ConcordeBoy,

Since you seem to be a 777 expert you may answer this questions. Since when are the 777-200LR and the A340-500 for sale, and how many have been ordered of each type?

It is very interesting because this are really very special aircraft that serve the best on very long flights.

 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:18 am

A345 was launched November 1997

It has orders from Emirates, Thai, ILFC, and Singapore Airlines. It also had two orders from Air Canada, but that airline deferred theirs shortly before delivery.


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772LR was originally launched in February 2000 but was suspended with only 10% engineering completed in September 2001. It was later relaunched with higher range/payload specifications in November 2002.

It currently has 3 orders from EVA Airways and 2 from Pakistan International Airlines. No word yet on whether those airlines will take the highest MTOW "tanked" option... but it's expected that they will.
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osteogenesis
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:22 am

This means the A340-500 has a 5 year advantage.

Was the 777-200LR a reaction of Boeing to the A340-500?
 
teahan
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:24 am

ConcordeBoy,

It also apparenly has two orders (Air Canada destined planes) from Royal Brunei. While it isn't on the Airbus books yet, plenty of local pilots are convinced the order is confirmed with delivery in April 2004.

Jeremiah
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:29 am

Was the 777-200LR a reaction of Boeing to the A340-500?

Nope... it was the descendant of a failed Boeing proposal: the 772X

That aircraft would have been RR powered (producing 104,000lb thrust from each engine) and would have had a range barely over 8000mn. The two airlines this was primarily aimed at (MH and QF) wanted no part of it.

If you want more detailed information, Alain Mengus wrote an aboslutely brilliant article on the subject. It can be seen at www.airtransportbiz.com
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:32 am



I love to see Thai flight the 'royal' 340-500 and -600 ! Far better than anything Boeing has to offer. Lately it seems Boeing is behind at least 5 years and then produces an exact copy of the airbus product.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:34 am

Thanks for the article ConcordeBoy!
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:37 am

I love to see Thai flight the 'royal' 340-500 and -600 ! Far better than anything Boeing has to offer.

Being one who prefers the increased safety of a twinjet on longhaul... I certainly wont be flying TG anytime soon  Laugh out loud



Thanks for the article ConcordeBoy!

No prob. Check out the rest of that site... good stuff  Big grin
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:46 am

Being one who prefers the increased safety of a twinjet on longhaul... I certainly wont be flying TG anytime soon

Hahahahahah.

Its still as funny now as it was the first time you said it.  Laugh out loud

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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:50 am

Still true since then as well  Big grin
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:52 am

ConcordeBoy,

Still true since then as well

On witch facts are you backing this?


 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:54 am


I think he's dreaming. There are NO facts to justify this
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:57 am

Actually, I was referring to me never going anywhere near TG.

If you want to know/see corroboration for my preference re: twinjets over quads on longhauls... hit the search feature. They're all over the place
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 7:37 am

Where will Thai fly those A345s to? Los Angeles or San Francisco? Since they ordered only three A345s, they can only have one non-stop flight to US from Bangkok.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:01 am

ConcordeBoy,

The article is very interesting.

After reading this article I think the crisis of the airline industry was in favour of Boeing. Airbus really had a huge time advantage with its A340-500 /600 models. Boeing would have lost a lot of customers. The crisis came at the right moment so that Airbus couldn’t take such a huge advantage.

Are there any plans of Airbus to develop an A330 to compete with the 777 long range versions?


 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:21 am

Are there any plans of Airbus to develop an A330 to compete with the 777 long range versions?

Sure is!

They slapped two more engines on it, stretched out the fuselage a bit, gave it a heavy wing, and called it.... A345  Laugh out loud
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:28 am

"I love to see Thai flight the 'royal' 340-500 and -600 ! Far better than anything Boeing has to offer. Lately it seems Boeing is behind at least 5 years and then produces an exact copy of the airbus product."

Another snotty, non-constructive post meant only to flame. In what respects are the A340-500 and -600 'far better' than the competing 777 models? The respective 777s have roughly comparable range to their Airbus counterparts, in fact, as noted, the 777-200LR will have a bit more range than the A340-500. And because both 777 models are significantly lighter than their Airbus opposites, they're likely to be a bit more economical as well. If Thai doesn't want to deal with ETOPS, then it's a no-brainer-of course, they should order Airbus. But to call the 777s 'copies' of the A340s is ludicrous, why, simply because they were developed a bit later for similar missions? The 777 was originally developed from the specifications of a group of key airlines-Boeing's "Working Together" initiative which determined its' cross-section, capacity and the consensus it be a Twin, among other things. The A340/A330 was developed as an advanced derivative of the A300 using the same cross-section with a new wing; on that basis, it's more of a 'copy' than the 777 is, not that it didn't make sense for Airbus to develop it this way, it certainly did. I respect the design philosophy behind the A340 as much as I do that of the 777 and they're both incredible, cutting-edge airplanes. As of late, I've been trying to hold out an olive branch to Airbus fans, most of which are highly respectable, often chiding fellow Boeing boosters for unfair snipes. Posts such as this, however, in the best tradition of the thankfully departed Hkgspotter1, serve only to make me regret that strategy. Let's have peace AND tolerance from BOTH sides, shall we? Aren't we all sick of the relentless A vs. B tirades? Can't we just all get along? Thank you.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:15 pm

AvObserver,

You are absolutely correct. I am also an Airbus supporter but I don’t like posts that just want to start a fight. Lets just ignore them and admire this 2 great aircraft.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:25 pm

ConcordeBoy,

They slapped two more engines on it, stretched out the fuselage a bit, gave it a heavy wing, and called it.... A345

You know what I mean.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Are there any Airbus plans to have a Ultra Long Haul +300pax 2 engine Aircraft like the 777-200ER and the 777-200LR?

After the A380F comes out Airbus is planing to build a A380 Long Range based on the A380F. The A380F has double edged flaps and an extra compartment in the wing box. The compartment in the wing box will not be used for the A380F, but will hold an extra fuel tank for the A380 Long Range. This aircraft is supposed to have a slighter higher range then the A340-500 so I suppose it will be the third aircraft in this segment.

This aircraft could be a good option for Qantas for their ultra long haul flights like Sydney – Dallas since they would be already operating the A380.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Orders Planes

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:39 pm

does anyone know if any of the new B747-400 will be used to replace the B747-300 on sydney to bangkok v.v flights in the near future.

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