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Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 7:43 am

Heard from another website that MyTravel are to retire their DC-10-10's at the end of September. Thought it would be of interest to some people on here. If they do go, i'll be sad to see them go, certainly a nice site to see at MAN, but they've been going tech alot lately. Don't know if the DC-10-30 is going too, but I guess its a case of get on them while you can now.
One can only wonder what will replace them, although i'd guess at nothing in the near future atleast.

(GKirk - lets hope they are still in service when you go to TFS!)

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:17 am

Where does My Travel fly the DC10s to? What configuration are they in? All Y class or 2 cabins?
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:31 pm

MYT's DC-10's are based at Manchester and fly mainly throughout Europe, on the high density routes to Spain, Canaries, some parts of Greece and the DC-10-30 does the occasional long haul route to North America.
Think they're all in a Y class configuration, seating around 360 passengers. So if all 4 of them go, they're certainly going to lose alot of seat capacity.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:12 pm

Too bad if/that they'e going before getting the full livery.
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:18 pm

They're in at EMA a lot training, all in the interim colour scheme.

My guess is the A330 will replace them on the European routes - LTU use them on the PMI/IBZ and other high density routes, so there's no reason why MYT can't!
 
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Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:20 pm


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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:30 pm

I say OUT with the old and in with the "NEW"!
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:51 pm

Im flying on DC-10 on October! Nooooooo! Well, I flew one last October G-TDTW so at least if it is true, then I have flown on a DC-10 already  Smile
The DC-10-10s have all Y seating for 379 passengers, the DC-10-30 has 361 seats.
Ah well, if it is the A330 to replace them, well, a new a/c type for me to fly on  Smile
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 7:05 pm

Here are the Certificate of Airworthiness expiry dates for MyTravel's DC-10's:

DC-10-10:
G-TAOS - 21/09/2003
G-DPSP - 26/10/2003
G-TDTW - 29/11/2003

DC-10-30:
G-BYDA - 29/03/2005

So it seems they're not renewing the cerificates, maybe BYDA will stay in service, if they can justify the cost of running a sole DC-10 and associated maintenance costs.
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:55 pm

The DC-10s won't be replaced - It appears that 'DA will be retained over the winter as a standby anyway.

The DC-10s were really only useful in the summer, and tended to sit idle during the winter because they have too many seats to fill. Thats fine for the DC-10 where lease rates are low, but it's too expensive to do that with A330s 30, to turn a profit with aircraft that have higher lease rates you have to maximise use of your aircraft over the whole year.

The A330s will continue to be operated on longhaul routes, with support from the B767s.
Shorthaul routes will be operated by the A320/321/757/767 fleets.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:59 pm

I thought they intended to keep them a bit longer as they are the only aircraft the MyTravel group actually own?? However, when they released models of the new colour scheme, all aircraft wore the orange while the DC10 models only had the interim c/s they are currently in, so perhaps that was a clue??
Demoose, you said they've been going tech alot? Can't be as bad as the 767s, especially G-SJMC, that things awful!!

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:03 pm

I hear G-DIMB has been playing up a lot recently as well.
Ah well, so it looks like this is possibly my last chance for a flight on a pax DC-10, so Im gonna enjoy it  Smile
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:05 pm


There've been one or two instances of the A330s doing Euroroutes recently at MAN but there does seem to a regularly timetabled service on Sundays (can't remember where to but the flight number is 191/2) with the aircraft going to Toronto in the late afternoon.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:08 pm

MyTravel are in a 'bit' of a financial mess at the moment - they can't afford to operate these old aircraft, let alone maintain them, even moreso if they do little else other than cause trouble. The company needs to reduce its services anyway to get back in to profit, since at the moment, planes are leaving empty!

I'm sure that the removal of the DC-10s, though sad, is essential to the survival of the company. Shame they couldn't go bust and take their silly name with them I say!

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:19 pm

GoAround,
If only removing 3 DC-10's out of service would solve all MyTravel Group's problems. It would have been done along time ago if it was so simple.

Can't believe some of the things you have just said, wanting a company to go bust? Maybe if you had parents or friends employed by the company you wouldn't be so click happy with opinions like that.
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:25 pm

It was sarcastic... hence the exclamation mark. I guess they were keeping the DC-10s until the airworthiness certificate expired since they own them and had no other way to get rid of them, and it was more economical to have them flying than on the ground.

I doubt they're good for MyTravel, however, since if they were good for the company, they'd be kept.

Sorry if I upset anyone with my comments, but it wasn't meant harmfully. I was suggesting that renaming the company MyTravel was silly - Going Places and Airtours were recognised brands. They should have kept them. I was suggesting that the rebranding and confused direction of this company did not contribute to its finances.

Hope this makes sense.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:49 am

GoAround you said... "since at the moment, planes are leaving empty"

On what information do you base this comment?
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 1:57 am

I think they had to change their name to SOMETHING cos Airtours, at least, was a by-word in the travel biz for shoddy service and massive delays. When I was a travel agt I would generally steer people away from Airtours unless price was their highest priority.
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:48 am

Diesel1

I base it on statements and reports I have seen on TV news reporting 'massive decline in passenger numbers' and 'tumbling revenue.' I hope that answers your question Big grin

Empty is an exaggeration, but we know they aren't empty, but certainly not full. I think you understand what I mean.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:17 am

I can assure you that MyTravel's flights continue to enjoy very high loadfactors!
They have seen a decline in forward bookings, which has meant they have to sell more holidays on the last minute market at a lower price, reducing revenue. Margins have also been hit by poor cost controls and pricing decisions at the company, which are being addressed.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:19 am

Thanks for clarifying those points Big grin

So revenue is down then? Also, how is MyTravel Lite doing?

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:29 pm

GoAround - I don't want to be harsh, therefore take the following comments as constructive criticism - your postings need to be accurate and not filled with exaggeration and halftruth.
Keep it simple, sarcasm and exaggeration do not always transfer well to the written word - just let the details speak for themselves.

I believe you may be correct about reducing services - though in my opinion a distinction needs to be drawn between the airline operation and the My Travel group, as the problem is more likely the number of holidays needing to be sold by the group, rather than a problem with the airline operation - afaik there are no details on the airlines profitability (or otherwise)

Crosswind's post explains the issues well.

The retirement of the DC-10s will aid cost control through reduction of types operated (this is fine so long as those rumoured 747s don't come along!)

As far as My Travel Lite - who knows - a number of new services for the winter, but my perception is that they aren't creating an lo-co identity of their own, and seem to be a part of the main group with an image of 'charter operator', though I'm sure BHX members would be able to comment on this more fully
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:33 pm

I'm with MyTravel Lite on Monday.. I'll see how packed/empty the flight is Laugh out loud

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:03 pm

Josh - that would be good

Some questions....
How long ago did you book?
What did you pay for tickets?
Are you flying BHX-AGP?
How long are you away for?

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:10 pm

Booked 21st May
£560 for 4 of us
BHX-AGP
For one week Big thumbs up

The same flight booking now would cost £720..

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:31 pm

That there are still seats available at the height of the summer season, and at a reasonable rate (though not quite so favourable as when you booked!) tells a story in its own right!

Not sure which of the two daily flights you're on, but both the outbound flights have at least 20 seats unbooked, and the afternoon return has 18 unbooked whilst the evening return has at least 20 seats unbooked too, so the flights wo'nt be packed as are no more than 90% full - sounds ok, but isn't all the profit in the last few seats sold?

Anyone know why they use David Dickinson for their advertising ? Is it because his skin with all that fake suntan stuff he uses is now the same colour as the orange on the aircraft colourscheme.....?
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:36 pm

I was wondering that about David Dickinson.. maybe it's because the flights are supposedly as cheap as chips.  Laugh out loud

I'll do my trip report on the Monday I get back and that should have plenty of useless info in it  Laugh out loud

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 12:48 am

MyTravel Lite don't even advertise much at all.. I've only seen small adverts in newspapers and that's it. I know someone who's going to PMI soon and he's going low cost. He's never heard of VZ. They need to do more advertising if they want to be like easyJet/Ryanair/bmibaby etc.

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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:42 am

"MyTravel Lite don't even advertise much at all.."

Well where I live you cant get away from the MyTravel Advertising! Its all over the midlands radio, on huge bilboards all round the midlands and the advertise in both local and national press.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:36 am

B-YDA was based at LGW last summer but this year we have only had a DC10 down occasionally. I was wondering a couple of weeks ago how much longer they would be with the company.
If they do go though, MYT are looking at a big loss of seats on European routes. The A330s occasionally operate to TFS, PMI, LCA etc but only 1 or 2 days a week max. When the 330s or 767s go tech the 10s are very useful to have around as standby aircraft, even in the winter season we had 10s positioned to LGW to operate flights.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:44 am

does anyone still operate DC-10-10's on scheduled revenue service?
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:58 am

GoAround let me tell you for a fact as i work for them i would not call a flight with 3-4 empty seats per flight an empty a/c ? Never mind empty you know what i mean. And yes the company has had money problems over the last year but its getting sorted.Only 4 months ago the shares were at 7p now they are at 28p.You really shouldnt listen to the things you hear in the media because half of the time its pure fiction.So unless you have facts dont make slanderous remarks.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:30 am

These DC 10´s are older than the pyramides Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:12 am

I remember seeing one of MyTravels DC-10s taking off from LBA within the last couple of years. I seem to remember it was diverted from MAN for some reason, it was a mighty impressive sight climbing, presumably empty for transit back to MAN. Made a change from the usual fare of 737s, F100s and Embraers.
 
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RE: Goodbye MyTravel DC-10-10's?

Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:16 am

MyTravel´s ageing DC-10´s are basically not helping the finances at the moment. It is only a measure of self preservation for the company that they will not renew the COA for them. In reality we where never to see them in full colours, even some of the 757´s lack basic MyTravel identites - I think we will be losing some of these in a major restructuring of the MyTravel group.

As the A330´s are deployed on the long haul routes of Airtours I think we will probably see the 767´s used more on the high density European routes.

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