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Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:52 am

I believe I am correct when I say I read in the USAToday that Usairways is going to have first class on there shuttle service between Boston, New York, and Washington D.C. I think they said the price would be around over $1,000. I am sorry this is just my opinion, but who in there right mind would pay that much money for a first class ticket on a one hour or less flight? I just don't get it, I mean I know some people love to get frequent flier miles, but paying that much for such a short flight would be nuts in my opinion. Tell me what you think, if you agree with me or not.

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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:55 am

Stupid move. Corporations won't pay for First Class on 35-50 minute flights like that. Yes, the airlines are suffering, but some of them are managed by plain idiots.

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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:57 am

the reason has got to be to get rid of the dedicated Shuttle fleet and allow mainline a/c to flow through the Shuttle markets for better utilization and lower costs.
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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:01 am

Nah, it's not nuts in my opinion. There are a lot of people (including myself) that would rather spend a flight in first class instead of coach, no matter how long the flight is. Even though it might not be a tremendous amount, I'm sure that there are plenty of people who will pay that $1000 for that seat on that hour or hour and a half flight.

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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:10 am

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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:15 am

I don't know the US frequent flyer program, do their elites get free upgrades on domestic flights on full-fare coach tickets?

If so, then it's also likely a move to help try and pull more business from their elites who might otherwise fly the most convienent shuttle flight.

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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:21 am


I do believe that elites from United can get upgrades on Usairways.


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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Wed Aug 06, 2003 4:53 pm

DL Shuttle is basically 'Business' class throughout, with Leather Seats, Free Drinks and snacks, and 36ins of leg room, with a 3-3 layout.

I presume that US will revert to the 31in legroom in economy, and no service, except for free drinks for the eight upgraded passengers in 'First'.

For the remaining 80 passengers in economy lack of legroom and service will drive them to either Amtrack or Delta.
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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:28 pm

Imo, it seems an enormous waste of money, or ff miles, to get a wider seat on a flight that is in the air barely 20 minutes between DCA and LGA, and about 45 minutes or so between DCA and BOS. I don't know the air time between LGA and BOS, but I'm sure it's equally short.

I guess this is just another example of American extravagance. No wonder we're so unpopular in other countries.

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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Thu Aug 07, 2003 3:49 am

Remember Bestwestern US current shuttle fleet do offer 34-37in legroom. And they are not totally removing those airccraft or their configuration anytime soon from service. Those A320 series Shuttles are great aircrafts to fly on.

So DL wont be offering something that new, or special that the customers wouldnt have been able to get at US with regard to legroom. I am not sure about catering though. Does US serve drinks/snacks on their current shuttle service?

Just a side point though? Which Shuttle service in that corridor currently drags the most business?
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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:41 am

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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:05 am

Back to topic -

I don't really see this working well for US. First off, no one is going to pay for those first class seats. It's going to be all elites bumped up to first. The Shuttles are always loaded with elites, so US is going to be making no money off those seats, unless it is a passenger connecting at BOS, LGA, or DCA on a F class itenerary. It basically sounds like the plane will be a mainline plane with Shuttle stickers slapped on after "US Airways". The passenger product will go down, as the majority of the customers will lose the leather seat and that extra 3-5 inches of legroom. I would guess that these passengers might switch over to Delta for these amenities.

The only good for US out of this (as I see it) is that you will have one, unified fleet type (once the A320s are converted). On DL, you have 2 types of 733s (Shuttle and mainline), which you can't really interchange.

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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:33 am

The first class service is likely just to treat the elite passengers and they don't plan on making any money off of them. As far as service throughout the rest of the cabin, I have been told it won't change - but will let someone else comment.
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RE: Usairways, First Class On Shuttles

Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:45 am

I see at least three potential problems here.

The first is that Delta will now be offering a more desirable Shuttle product than (and possess a potential marketing advantage over) US Airways for the vast majority of its Shuttle passengers. While a dozen passengers will enjoy First Class seating on the US Shuttle (and on many flights, there will likely be plenty of elites to fill those seats but that's Problem #3), the rest will sit in standard coach seating -- and Delta will continue to offer additional legroom in its Shuttle fleet. Given a choice for the same price, I'd take the extra legroom in a heartbeat.

The second is that US will lose capacity (4 seats per flight) with little potential for extra revenue. It is possible that by offering a guaranteed F seat for its Preferred passengers paying full fare that they might gain some incremental sales of full-fare tickets.

The third is that US likely has enough Chairman's Preferred members using the shuttles that contention among the CP's for those F seats might lead to some dissatisfaction among those customers.

While I recognize the operational advantages of no longer having to maintain a separate Shuttle fleet, it must also be acknowledged that there is a cost to eliminating the higher quality of Shuttle service which many frequent travelers on the route have come to expect.

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