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Refueling Detour Adds 90 Minutes To Concorde Trip

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:50 am

From Ananova news: Weather troubles Concorde

Concorde was forced to take an unconventional route on its way to New York as it became the latest victim of Britain's soaring temperatures.

The British Airways flight had to stop in Gander, Canada, to refuel because the heat meant the jet needed to carry more fuel to make the journey.

The aircraft, which flies at twice the speed of sound, usually takes just three hours and 20 minutes to make the transatlantic crossing.

But today's detour was expected to add up to 90 minutes to the flight, which took off from Heathrow at 5.30pm.

A British Airways spokesman said: "When it gets this hot, Concorde has to carry more fuel because the air it is travelling through is of a higher pressure.

"It is unusual, but this certainly is not the first time it has happened because of the hot weather.

"The flight will stop in Canada for less than an hour and we expect it to land at about 5.30pm local time."

He said all the passengers had been informed of the flight's reroute before take-off.

Story filed: 20:19 Wednesday 6th August 2003
 
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RE: Refueling Detour Adds 90 Minutes To Concorde Trip

Thu Aug 07, 2003 7:07 am

Well that kinda kills the experience.
 
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RE: Refueling Detour Adds 90 Minutes To Concorde Trip

Thu Aug 07, 2003 7:10 am

2 take offs and landings for the price of 1? I would not complain. Question would it be able to operate supersonically from Gander to JFK at all?
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RE: Refueling Detour Adds 90 Minutes To Concorde Trip

Thu Aug 07, 2003 7:31 am

Coronado-- Question would it be able to operate supersonically from Gander to JFK at all?

I don't see why not-- the two routes are pretty much overlapped:

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=YQX-JFK%0D%0ALHR-JFK%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=nm&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

(and if it doesn't normally fly Great Circle while over Nova Scotia and Cape Cod--for noise abatement reasons-- it probably only has to fly a hundred nautical miles offshore or something, not much of a detour and not for very long either)

 
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RE: Refueling Detour Adds 90 Minutes To Concorde Trip

Thu Aug 07, 2003 7:46 am

I think that the high temps at London, probably prevented Concorde from uplifting the required amount of fuel to get it to New York, whilst still staying within the T/Off weight for that temp.

Yes it would go supersonic from Gander to New York

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RE: Refueling Detour Adds 90 Minutes To Concorde Trip

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:04 am

Any spotters at Gander get a photo?
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RE: Refueling Detour Adds 90 Minutes To Concorde Trip

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:14 am

Indeed, fuel uplift has been a challenge in these unprecedented temps, today I think OAC was used, the heaviest in the fleet.
The alternative would have been to off-load pax, as most of them are now flying Concorde for the experience of it rather than for business, that was not going to happen, these aircraft are very full now, it is unusual not to have 100 pax, who unlike mostly business pax will all want their food and drink.
(Probably carrying more of the gifts etc, on each BA Concorde flight now onboard sales are reaches £7000 worth, even so, about £5000 of that is mail order rather than stowed on board).
 
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RE: Refueling Detour Adds 90 Minutes To Concorde Trip

Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:15 am

Just found a bit more precise description of the BA Concorde ("Sierra Mike", "Sierra November") nominal flight paths:

http://pub13.ezboard.com/fconcordesstfrm2.showMessage?topicID=190.topic

http://www.irishaviation.net/atlops.htm#CONCORDE OPERATIONS ON THE NORTH


Shouldda rooted around for this somewhat sooner, but ah well  Smile







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