kevs
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777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:48 am

I have read many threads that were saying airlines , like UA in the states,
are taking 777 as a replacement for 747

What is the philosophy behind 777 as a replacement of 744?

I can't understand, they are so different in term of capacity.
772/773 can carry around 300 to 380 pax in two classes setting,
while 744 can take, may be 380+ in a three classes setting, and
744 has a longer range than 772/773, except those newer 777 ER/LR
models.

Is it really more economical to operate 777 rather than 744
and these savings are good enough to cover the revenues loss with
less pax? How about ETOPS issue?

Can A345/6 do the same job as replacement of 744?
 
cancidas
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:19 am

2 engines vs 4. anyway, boeing originally developed the 747 for cargo, not pax. thats why its got the hump. im pretty sure that they are planning the 777 as a future eventual replacement for the 747, but i doubt they want it to be now.
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:23 am

777s carry more cargo than pax 744s, and the 772ER/772LR/773ER all have longer range than 744As for less fuel*

*barring of course the 772LR's supplementary fuel tanks
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cmckeithen
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:23 am

The 777 will never take the place of the 747. The 747 is an American icon. Many airlines might use the 777 more, but the 747 will never completly go away. Its Boeings baby!
 
AA737-823
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:27 am

The real issue here is demand. Back twenty years ago United could fill two 747 flights per day between San Fran and Chicago. Then, the popular thing became to offer many flights a day- on smaller planes.

But now the issue is demand. With fewer flying (though the numbers are picking up) the 747 has been too big to fill for a few years. United and Northwest are the only two airlines that operate the 747 in the US. The rest got rid of theirs long ago.

Until hoards of people start flying, the 747 won't be so popular here.

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752is
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:38 am

At least on the cargo side of it the 747 is the king and for right now nothing is replacing it. I read an intresting article in Air Cargo News about Cargolux and they were asked if the Airbus 380 or 777 would be an option for them in the future and the answer was no unless there would be a nose loading option available on these aircraft. I agree because I've seen 20 foot ship containers miss their ship and been transferred to 747's, and that is impressive. So I think unless this option is available on other aircraft the 747 will be around a long time for the cargo side.
 
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:50 am

I usually hear about the 777-300 as a replacement for 747 Classics but the 773ER can and often is dispacing the 744, despite its' lower pax capacity. Able to carry more cargo and with loer fuel burn and maintenance costs, it's got to be more economical.

"Can A345/6 do the same job as replacement of 744?:

Just the A346, I'd think. A345, like the 772LR is for the lower capacity, ULTRA-long-range niche.



 
AA777MIA
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:52 am

Also what about landing fees? Would they not be higher on a 747 versus 777? Food for thought...
 
flyboy80
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:07 am

The 744 is different then earlier 747 models such as the 742, the 777 was made to replace those aircraft because obviously Boeing doesn't build them any more (this is the -300, and you could aculty count the -200) Although the 772 was aimed more at replacing DC-10 sized aircraft.
 
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RayChuang
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 10:25 am

Actually, the 777-300ER is considered a 747-100/200 replacement because its seating capacity is almost identical, except the 773ER has the range more like that of the 747-400.

I personally think that airlines with large older 747 fleets like JL and NH may become candidates to buy fairly large numbers of 773ER's to replace older 747's in international service.
 
kevs
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:38 pm

now I see.

772 and 773 are considered as 747 Classics, but not the 744..

so at this point of time, there is still no suitable replacement for 744.

 
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:05 pm

I would like to see Boeing build a super jumbo with four GE 90's Trident 895 or PW 4095. To bad there is not a market for such because it would make a better replacement for the 747 than a 777.
 
kevs
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RE: 777 As 747 Replacement?

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:26 pm

747400sp

wow, 4 GE90 engines, this boeing will be HUGE !!!  Love
Take-off will be very powerful and impressive!!  Nuts

however, I believe there will be lot of troubles for any airport to accommodate
this 4 GE90 engine monster with existing facilities.

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