UN_B732
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Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:50 am

What's the most competitive route in the world
My say is New York-London
with British AIrways, Virgin, Continental, American, United, Air India and probably a few more.
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:52 am

Other ones to consider would be:

BOS NYC
AA,DL,CO,US, Amtrak,

DUB LON
EI, BA, BD, FR
 
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:55 am

NYC to LON was going to be mine as well, what about NYC to FLL also seems to be a crowded route at the moment.
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:38 am

New York Area to Miami Area
American
Delta (Song)
jetBlue
Continental.
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:40 am

Can Air India actually sell tickets from New York to London?
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:47 am

Yes 727LOVER Air India can and does sell tickets to London from New York.
That is a stop on there way to India.


I think that the most competitive Route is Northeast area non-stop to California. Almost every airline has non=stop flights.
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:51 am

"Can Air India actually sell tickets from New York to London?

They sure can and do.

UN_732,

You missed Kuwait Airways on your list, 4 times a week LHR-JFK. So the list is now British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, Continental, American, United, Air India, and Kuwait Airways

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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:30 am

I would consider the most competitive as having the most airlines serving the route. Those that I can think of are -

1st: New York to London
- Air India, American Airlines, British Airways, Continental Airlines, Kuwait Airways, United Airlines, Virgin Atlantic

2nd: Los Angeles to Tokyo
- All Nippon Airways, Japan Airlines, Korean Air Lines, United Airlines, Singapore Air (also used to have Delta)

Perhaps third then would be New York to Los Angeles or Tokyo to London, though I don't have the data for these routes.

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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:32 am

Funflyer is on to something
NY Area to Socal.
quite a few carriers.
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:36 am

Um, how exactly can New York to London be classified as most-competitive-routes when it's legislatively limited to only 7 competitors... meaning that most airlines who want to compete on that route cannot?!  Insane


I'd say domestic USA's most competitive routes are probably NYC-Miami and NYC-LAX/SFO

Internationally probably HKG-TPE, LAX-NRT
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:45 am

Um, how exactly can New York to London be classified as most-competitive-routes when it's legislatively limited to only 7 competitors... meaning that most airlines who want to compete on that route cannot?!

London includes Gatwick. All airlines can fly to Gatwick.  Insane
 
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:47 am

New York to Miami is more than jetBlue, American, Song, and Continental. Also Southwest, Southeast, and Spirit.
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:54 am

Some facts from Mexico:

Mexico City - Cancun (MEX-CUN)

AeroMexico (MD80's) At least 6 a day.
Mexicana (A320, 319, 757 and F100) At least 7 daily.
Aerocaribe (DC9-31) At least 2 daily flights.
Allegro Air (MD80's and 727-200) 2 daily flights (sometimes up to 4).
Magnicharters (737-200) 2 daily flights.
Aviacsa (737-200 and 727-200) At least 3 daily flights.
Azteca (737-300 and 737-700) 2 daily flights.
Global Air (737-200) 1 daily flight.

8 carriers. Now THAT'S what I call competency.

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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:57 am

LAX-NRT also has Varig, Thai Airways and Northwest. Eight airlines on that route, 1 more than New York-London
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 10:02 am

London includes Gatwick. All airlines can fly to Gatwick

USA carriers sure... however, no 5th freedom carriers exercise rights to the USA from LGW. They are also valuable competition. That, and the only airline who can actually scrape it together on LGW-NYC is CO... VS and BA moved everything to LHR ASAP  Insane
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Sat Aug 09, 2003 10:13 am

I would think JFK to LAX, should be somewhere up there. Also NYC to London.
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:29 am

Although it's not nearly as competitive as the other routes, I have always wondered how Dallas/Ft. Worth - Denver has been able to sustain four carriers for so long: American, United, Frontier and Delta (And at one time five, when Continental still had a Denver hub and the original Frontier was still flying).
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:50 am

How about SF Bay Area to Los Angeles?

This is the only route (zone) where you've got Southwest and JetBlue head to head, not to mention a host of other carriers.
 
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:53 am

Vancouver to Toronto is also a very competitive route up here in Canada. Air Canada dominates the route will many flights operated by 320's, 321's, 767's, 763's, 744's, and 333's. Air Canada Tango, Westjet, Jetsgo, HMY Airlines all fly scheduled daily service, while Skyservice and Air Transat also flew the route.
 
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:49 pm

Jakarta (CGK)-Singapore (SIN) has quite a busy route too... with flights available from various airlines available almost every 1 hour I think....

Some airlines that provide services on this route are includes:
Emirates
KLM
Thai
Singapore Airlines
Qantas
Philippines
Lufthansa
Garuda
Cathay

and there's a lot more too, not to mention the code share one...  Smile
 
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:00 pm

Pretty much any US city to NRT seems pretty competitive... with a variety of US-based and Asian-based airlines offering competitive fares almost all year round. An alternative of course would be NGO.
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:03 pm

The Los Angeles Area to Honolulu is very competetive with all the US majors plus a few more on the route, for a total of 8 scheduled plus daily charters by Omni and Skyservice USA:

Airlines, Aiports they serve, and # of daily frequencies:

Aloha: SNA-HNL (1), BUR-HNL (1)
American: LAX-HNL (3)
American Trans Air: LAX-HNL (2)
Continental: LAX-HNL (1)
Delta: LAX-HNL (1)
Hawaiian: LAX-HNL (3), ONT-HNL (1)
Northwest: LAX-HNL (1)
United: LAX-HNL (5)

There are also numerous flights from LA to Maui, Kona and Kauai on various airlines.

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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:23 pm

Can Air India actually sell tickets from New York to London?

Air India is actually the LONGEST SERVING INCUMBENT CARRIER in the US to UK market. They have been operating the LHR-JFK route continuously for over 40 years. That is longer than any of the other airlines (AA, BA, CO, DL, NW, VS, etc...).

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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:25 pm

Jakarta (CGK)-Singapore (SIN)

Qantas


Qantas doesn't even fly to Jakarta, let alone from Singapore.

You also forgot Air India on the CGK-SIN list.
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 2:57 pm

Qantas do fly from Jakarta and Singapore every Thursday, Sunday and Tuesday... the flight number is QF77 is a continuation flight from Perth and you can check the timetable at www.qantas.com.au

also Qantas dofly to jkt from syd too...

This flight is also a codeshare flight with BA as BA is no longer fly to Jakarta

They might not fly SIN-CGK though...

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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:23 pm

I stand corrected ref: Qantas.

Also, try SIN-BKK route.

Currently served by Finnair, Cathay, Singapore Airlines, Thai, Swiss, Scandinavian, Turkish, Indian Airlines, Garuda, Biman...
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:55 pm

In Texas I'd say AUS-DFW/Love Field. Southwest and AA offer a bunch of flights daily, and the prices are usually about equal.




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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sun Aug 10, 2003 12:57 am

Don't forget the south of the world:

Buenos Aires(EZE)-Santiago(SCL)

LanChile,Southern Winds,Aerolineas Argentinas,Varig,Avianca,Air France,Lufthansa.

And some years ago also operated by:Swissair,KLM,Alitalia and American Airlines.


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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sun Aug 10, 2003 12:59 am

Oooops...I forgot one between EZE and SCL...British Airways also used to fly this route.
 
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:06 am

"In Texas I'd say AUS-DFW/Love Field. Southwest and AA offer a bunch of flights daily, and the prices are usually about equal.
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For Texas:
I'd say Houston-Dallas with Continental, Southwest, American, Delta- also the 8th busiest route in the USA.


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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:13 am

I would say NYC area to LA area

American: too many flights to count from JFK
United: too many flights to count from JFK
Delta: Also lots of flights from JFK.
*Note: All or nearly all are operated by boeing 767 200/300 A/C.

Cotinental: Flights from EWR on 757-200/737NG.
United: Flights from EWR on 757-200/Airbus A320/A319.
American: 3 flights from EWR on 757/767 A/C.

JetBlue: Flights from JFK to LGB on A320
American: flights from JFK to LGB on 757.

Too many flights!
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:20 am

Chicago to Los Angeles Area has some traffic
Spirit, United, US Airways, American, and ATA

Washington, D.C. to New York
Delta, American, US Airways, and United

New York to Boston
American, United, Delta, and US Airways
 
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:19 am

I think this discussion needs some parameters. I think when considering how competitive a route is, I think we need to consider any restrictions on capacity and pricing. For example the fact that there are many flights between the US and UK simply reflects a high level of demand but does not indicate a high level of competitiveness on its face. The fact that carriers are beating down the door to enter certain US-UK city pairs tells me that it is actually uncompetitive in many respects. Finally, I do not think getting commercially viable slots at LGW is easy.

I would consider the following:

1. Number of carriers.
2. Ease of entry/exit into the market (This eliminates flights to/from NRT and LHR in my view)
3. Pricing freedom.
 
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sun Aug 10, 2003 4:37 am

Toronto to London is also very competitive if you count all the charter airlines and summer seasonal flights.

There is Air Canada, British Airways, My Travel, Air Transat, Skyservice, Zoom and there could be others in there as well.
 
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RE: Most Competitive Route

Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:27 am

B747-437B

BA started transatlantic flights during WW2, in August 1940. The aircraft were Empire flying boats fitted with extra fuel tanks. Their names were Clare and Clyde.

They were later replaced in 1941 with regular passenger flights with three Boeing 314 flying boats.

A series of flights continued throughout the war where British pilots were flown passenger from GB and returned bringing back warplanes from the US and Canada. They even flew in formation at times.

I can't find any record of Air India doing such things, but will agree that they were around in the early 60s when I was crew. Before then BA used a whole range of transatlantic aircraft including the DC7C and Boeing Stratocruisers.

Not forgetting that later, BA was the first airline to fly a commercial passenger jet across the Atlantic.

There again BA was the pioneer of most international routes, worldwide!

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