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Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:22 am

In your opinion what aircraft is the loudest/most powerful?



For me the loudest is the super 80


The Most powerful is an A330.



And yes I have been on a 757
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:37 am

If you think an MD-80 is loudest, you've never heard a 707-420 with Conways, a DC-8-60, a VC-10 and those extremely loud Conways (as with the 707-420), or for that matter, the DH.106 Comet.

For power, I have no idea, really... by pure numbers, the 777-200 is one of the most powerful aircraft. For feeling, I guess a lightly-loaded 757-200 seems like it just rockets off of the ground.

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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:44 am

Aside from far out answers like "the space shuttle.."

The An-225 is the most powerful airplane out there. Not sure for noise, but I've heard the Tupolev Bear is extremely loud. B-1Bs at full afterburner aren't the quietest planes in the sky either.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:52 am

I remember the 727s and 732s from the seventies and eighties being extremely loud. Growing up 5 miles from the airport, right in the approach/departure end of PHL's main runways, our house was always rumbling and rattling whenever those birds would "sweep", by especially on departure of course. Damn I miss those days!

As far as most powerful, it has to be the MD11 with a trio of 4462s.
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:56 am

The old 732's are definately some of the loudest and they sound great, the newer model 737's just arent the same, im going to miss hearing the 200's roar out when they are gone

most powerful commercial jet would definately have to be the 777
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:56 am

Today's widebodies (most powerful engine available-total thrust at full power)
747-400: 253,200
747-400ER: 253,200
777-300ER: 230,600
A340-600: 224,000
777-200LR: 220,200
A340-500: 212,000
777-300: 195,800
777-200ER: 195,800
777-200: 154,000
A330-200: 144,000
A330-300: 144,000
A340-200: 136,000
A340-300: 136,000
767-400ER: 127,000
767-200ER: 126,600
767-300ER: 126,600
A couple interesting observations- All 777s lead the competing Airbus in total thrust. A330s lead the initial A340s in engine power as well. This is odd to me because the A340 was supposed to be the longer-ranged airplane.




 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:01 pm

The 737-200 is a very loud aircraft and so it the 727.

For power that you feel on takeoff, one of the front-runners has to be the 717, you virtually rocket off the runway, its great and I love it.
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:07 pm

A Lightly loaded 717 with full takeoff power has got to be the most powerful on T/O.
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:12 pm

A lightly loaded P&W 757 will throw you back in your seat.

Just flew on my first 777 Wednesday, we were completely full, but it's still one heck of a powerful plane, I was impressed!
 
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:44 pm

Loudest? NASA's 707, still with the old engines.
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:45 pm

btw my post was in response to L.1011
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:22 pm

The An-225 is pushed by six 55,000 lbs thrust engines I believe. That'd be 330,000 lbs of thrust alltogether. Why hasn't that been mentioned?
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:54 pm

The An-225 is pushed by six 55,000 lbs thrust engines I believe. That'd be 330,000 lbs of thrust alltogether. Why hasn't that been mentioned?

I think the focus is mainly on commercial airliners if you didn't notice. Also, the An-225 has been mentioned, see Reply 2.

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For most powerful takeoff, in my history of travel it would have to be a lightly-loaded 744. I was on a Northwest red-eye a few years back, the 744 was replacing a DC-9 for some reason, and we had probably 20 passengers max. Since it was a short flight, they probably didn't tip off the tanks either. I swear that was the most powerful takeoff in my history of flying. A passenger across the aisle from me was asking me jokingly if this was a 747 or a fighter jet.

Also, the 717 and 757 are rockets even when fully loaded. A fully loaded 744 takes awhile to rotate, but whenever that starts, you still can't seem to believe that thing's power. The 777 is one heck of a powerful aircraft too, but I don't think it matches the 744.




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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 5:21 pm

HlywdCatft

You ever seen an A340 take off with those 4 hair dryers under its wings?


ROTFLOL!! That made my day!

Anyways, I was in a CX A343 and takeoff was "elegant", to put it into words. The rest of the jets either have your head push down to your stomach as it takes off.

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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:21 pm

ROTFLOL!! That made my day!

Anyways, I was in a CX A343 and takeoff was "elegant", to put it into words. The rest of the jets either have your head push down to your stomach as it takes off.


Why are we even discussing the A343 in a thread "Most powerful aircraft"?

Although it's certainly a good, elegant looking bird, it's power-to-weight ratio is one of the lowest in modern airliners, hence it's takeoff performance is nothing to gawk at.

Also, you say "rest of the jets push your head down to your stomach as it takes off" as if it's a bad thing. I think most of us love that feeling, because it really demonstrates that you're on a powerful machine. I wouldn't want to feel like I was riding in an air-bus  Big grin



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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:30 pm

A330s lead the initial A340s in engine power as well. This is odd to me because the A340 was supposed to be the longer-ranged airplane.

If you lose an engine on an A340, you still have 75% of the thrust remaining. If you lose one on an A330, it drops to just 50%. Not unreasonable, therefore, to bolt more powerful engines on the twin.
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:32 pm

I don't have any travel experience on any A330 or A340

But based on my previous travels on SQ 744 and 772,
The 772 take off is more impressive, I was like sitting in
a sports car with my body pushed back into the seat..

I also tried both A320 and A321, there take offs are
more gentle... is A330 or A340 have the same 'gentle'
take-off?

From all my travel experience with A320, A321, B744, B772
I can tell those Airbuses provided a more comfortable cabin
especially with much less engine noise.
However, Boeing jets give me a feel like I am really flying!!
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:33 pm

If you lose an engine on an A340, you still have 75% of the thrust remaining. If you lose one on an A330, it drops to just 50%. Not unreasonable, therefore, to bolt more powerful engines on the twin.

Also you must take in the factor that the A340 would be twice as likely to lose an engine over the A330. 4 vs. 2.

When it all comes down to one point, both 2 and 4 engined planes are about equal in terms of safety.



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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:44 pm

Also you must take in the factor that the A340 would be twice as likely to lose an engine over the A330


I guess that single-engined aircraft must therefore carry the least risk of engine failure.

So if an A340 loses three engines, it suddenly becomes twice as safe as an A330. Hmm...  Big grin
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:48 pm

I guess that single-engined aircraft must therefore carry the least risk of engine failure.

I don't know if that will work with singles. But when comparing 2 vs. 4 engined aircraft, the quad would be twice as likely to lose an engine because it has twice the engines operating at the same time. Simple as that.

So if an A340 loses three engines, it suddenly becomes twice as safe as an A330. Hmm...

How do you come to that?



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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:50 pm

I don't believe in those slogans like 4 engines 4 long haul..
in most case, those aircraft accidents are due to human factors rather
than mechanical problem, such as poor maintainence, human errors.....

4 engines, mean it doubles the chance of a human error to occurs when
compares with any 2 engines aircraft.
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:33 pm

I don't mean to be flippant but just how common is a multiple engine failure?
I certainly wouldn't be saying that a four engined aircraft is more likely to suffer a shutdown at all, but in any case lets then hypothesize the likely scenario of a double engine failure and ask would you rather fly a 747 with 2 engines operating or a 777 with no engines after each has lost two?

But back to the original topic, what about Concorde? But then it's built for speed isn't it and not really all that powerful compared to a bulk freighter, so it must be the AN225, nothing flying produces as much power as it has to just to fly. But wait it has six engines! Can it keep all engines running long enough?

As for the A340? This aircraft is often the butt of jokes for the supposed reason that it has no power or insufficient power and it climbs slow and flies slower than some other aircraft. Funny enough I've never seen one unable to get of the ground for lack of power have you? So this fuel miser seems quite adequate for it's function. Is Thai really replacing 777 services with the new A340-600 because of engine reliability? Surely not!
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 10:47 pm

The loudest aircraft on take of is without doubt Concorde

makes a 737-200 sound quiet
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:13 pm

Before anyone spews anymore nonsense, please have a read of this:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Galaxy/7728/home.html

They teach entire university courses on this four vs. two engine argument. Which makes me wonder how people can give the best definitive argument on this topic in less than a paragraph.
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:26 pm

Beside the Concorde and Boeing 707, 400 series, the loudest aircrafts around were the BAC-111 and Trident, the reason they've not mentioned yet here must be that no too many of you've ever actually listened to the music of their engines...  Big grin

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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:41 pm

I dont think that the 737-200 is that loud, although they have been Stage III Modified, but DL Express takes them off quite regularly over my place near MCO and they are still quieter than the few 727s that we see here
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:55 pm

Don't have any numbers but the Grumman G-IV and G-V will really part your hair.
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:59 pm

If you are talking about powerful,

Lets say

B757-200. (Rolls Royce Engines).
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 12:09 am

One day i scared to death, i was walking to the beach, in 1986, i was 8 years old, passing the top of runway 28 of FARO airport (LPFR), a british Airways BAC 1-11-500 without hush Kits made a late take off, and passed over me, perhaps 10 meter over my head, when i hear that sound, i thought that i was going to die, and that the BAC 1-11 was going to crash on the river, but he gained positive climbing rate and climbed to skys  Big grin... but my head was like crazy, with my hears blowing.  Nuts.

that noise was so loud that i felt something strange in my hears for almost an hour... terrible...

Coincidence of coincidences... last thursday here in FARO, a Tupolev Tu-154 took off in the same conditions but this time as pretty bad, the tupolev with the landing gear down was so low that hit the top of some trees, one tree felt down and for a fraction of seconds didn't killed a girl on a Ford Fiesta that was passing by that time. Shame on you TUPOLEV! GET SCRAPPED!  Pissed


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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 12:21 am

NWA742:

I was trying to be sarcastic, not serious. I spend much of my time with statistics, and I'm constantly amused by the "4 versus 2" debate because it frequently reveals a basic misunderstanding of mathematics and statistical analysis.
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 12:58 am

To determine the most powerful aircraft what you need to do is take the total thrust and divide it by the total number of avg. seats on the aircraft...

So for Delta Air Lines Fleet...

727- Total thurst= 43,500lbs total avg seats=145
....Total thrust per seat 300lbs

737-200- tt= 29,000lbs tas=119
....total thrust per seat 243.6lbs

737-300- tt= 44,000lbs tas=128
....total thrust per seat 343.75lbs

737-800- tt= 48,000lbs tas=156
....total thrust per seat 307 lbs

757-200- tt= 83,400lbs tas=182
....total thrust per seat 458lbs

767-200- tt= 96,000lbs tas=204
....total thrust per seat 470lbs

767-300- tt= 100,000lbs tas=252
....total thrust per seat 396lbs

767-300ER- tt= 120,000lbs tas=195
....total thrust per seat 615lbs

767-400ER- tt= 126,600lbs tas=287
....total thrust per seat 441lbs

777-200- tt= 184,000 tas=277
....total thrust per seat 664lbs

MD88- tt= 40,000 tas= 142
....total thrust per seat 281lbs

MD90- tt= 50,000 tas= 150
....total thrust per seat 333lbs

MD11- tt= 186,000lbs tas= 260
....total thrust per seat 715lbs of thrust

CRJ Comair- tt=18,440 lbs tas=45
....total thrust per seat 409lbs


SO the MOST POWERFUL AIRCRAFT IN DELTA AIR's FLEET IS THE MD-11 by 51 more pounds of thrust

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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:09 am

I don't know if that will work with singles. But when comparing 2 vs. 4 engined aircraft, the quad would be twice as likely to lose an engine because it has twice the engines operating at the same time. Simple as that.


Yes but an A330 is still more likely to lose 50% of its total engine power than the A340.

Most powerful aircraft might be interesting, but it doesn't mean jackshit in the airline industry. If the aircraft can do its job, it doesn't matter how much power it has, especially if It can do it more efficiently.

btw. loudest would have to be the CV880, blows the 707 out of the sky  Nuts
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:16 am

DeltaDude8, the problem with that is that every airline has a different number of seats and use different engines. Thus, power-to-weight ratios vary widely.
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:26 am

Yes but an A330 is still more likely to lose 50% of its total engine power than the A340.

True, but an A330 can operate under 50% power far more easier than an A340.

I think in terms of safety and engine failures, the A330 and A340 are about the same.



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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:31 am

L.1011...Way to go Captain Obvious! Notice how in my conclusion I stated that

(quote)the MOST POWERFUL AIRCRAFT IN ***"DELTA AIR's FLEET"*** IS THE MD-11 by 51 more pounds of thrust" (end quote)

 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:40 am

Deltadude8, you should redo your calculations with the actual weight of the aircraft at MTOW, that will get you more realistic figures in terms of thrust per lbs.



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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:42 am

NWA742,

I think the focus is mainly on commercial airliners if you didn't notice. Also, the An-225 has been mentioned, see Reply 2.

The An-225 is used in commercial applications, just not scheduled air carrier service. Also, please rephrain from using sarcasm in your posts, it just looks immature when you could be saying better. One last thing, I DID notice the second post, it's just that it wasn't mentioned thereafter and should have be an obvious candidate IMO.
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:44 am

The An-225 is used in commercial applications, just not scheduled air carrier service.

Thanks I was not aware of that.

Also, please rephrain from using sarcasm in your posts, it just looks immature when you could be saying better.

Um, you need to lighten up and get a sense of humor, this is an online forum, not a business meeting. I was just poking a little sarcasm/humor at ya, no big deal.



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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:30 am

I rememeber in the mid-80's and early '90s at Halifax (YHZ) before hushkitting when AirCanada DC-9s roared on takeoff. AC's 727s and Canadian (CP) 737s were quite loud too.

But the loudest ever was at Heathrow in 1990 watching the Concorde takeoff I had to plug my ears....

AC's most powerful is probably the A330.



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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:35 am

The new Aribus A380 when it comes out of production.
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:45 am

Shame on you TUPOLEV! GET SCRAPPED

Luisinho - Why don't you scream at the BAC111 like that? It can kill a girl in a Fiesta too but when the BAC111 took off there just wasn't a car passing by and its gear is higher. It doesn't matter all that matters is that it was an accident. You can't diss on russian planes because of stuff like that I'm sure many planes out there have done what the Tu-154 did.

Anyway back to the topic. If we count the An-225 then yes it is the most powerful. Othwerwise I think the B744 is the most powerful. I never heard Comets, Tridents, 707s, DC-8s and so on. Loudest I've heard is Tu-134. It is equivalent if not louder than 732 and 727. Tu-154Bs were pretty loud too and I would imagine a base model Il-62 with NK-8-2 engines to be extremely loud. Maybe Tu-144 as well. By the way does anyone kow where I can find videos or sound files of a Trident, VC-10 or BAC111 or any of the old jets?
 
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 2:47 am

I really dont think anyone remeber I said IN YOUR OPINON.


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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 4:21 am

Um, you need to lighten up and get a sense of humor, this is an online forum, not a business meeting. I was just poking a little sarcasm/humor at ya, no big deal.

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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 4:44 am


The BOAC Comet on one of it's proving/demo flights in Australia, took off, lightly loaded, and went into an almost vertical climb. Now that's power!
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:18 am

It is the Boeing 747 400er 4 x 62000 lb trust engines until the airbus a380 4 x 70000 lb trust engines
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RE: Most Powerful Aircraft

Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:41 am

I have been on a RR RB211 powered 752 from MAN to LGW with BY and the take-off run was out of this world. Very powerful. also MON A300-600 was impressive

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