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Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:14 pm

I was wondering if any body ever seen a 747 SP take off on a ultra long flight. I wanted to know do they use as much runway as a 747 200 or 400, do they make a strong rumble like full size 747 on long flight. If any body ever watch a SP on a route like LAX- SYD or DFW-NRT or JFK-NRT please tell me.
 
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:32 pm

I only ever see em do medium haul, relatively short hops. And boy, do they have performance - they shoot into the air like 757s....
 
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:33 pm

I've been on a Korean SP and seem many others take off and land.
They take of faster than a full 747 but then they were a lot lighter with the same wing. I'm note sure the engines were de rated for the lower mass but from memory they sounded much the same as a full sized 747 of the times.

I actually had the SP as a sub for what was supposed to be an MD-11 and the SP was old and faded but was still a good experience.
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:51 pm

Strangely, I've only seen 747SPs on short-to-medium haul takeoffs, probably because these days, they have been removed from longhaul service and only serve in odd roles.
Of course, on short hops, their performance is impressive. I'd say the noise is similar to other JT9-powered 747-100/200s. (never saw a RR-powered SP)
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:10 am

Thank you for the information I would love to hear more.
 
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:02 am

I can remember seeing Pan Am & TWA SP's t/o from JFK when I was younger. For some reason they seemed to t/o quicker than the -100 & -200 series. I guess it's due to the lighter weight as stated earlier.
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:08 am

I saw these exact take off last week, an empty SP from Faro to Nice using as much runway as a full loaded 757, no big deal.


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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:28 am

I remember sitting in Terminal 7 at LAX when I was 9-10 (ok that was only 12 years ago) but still I remember United's SPs taking off For SYD...The Aircraft would rate normally, much shorter than other 747's, although it didn't seem to climb as fast as you would expect for such a sort roll...

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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:34 am

anyone know where i could find a video?
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sun Aug 10, 2003 11:58 am

Yep. I've seen Pan Am, then United and Qantas 747SP all at LAX during their take-off rotation. Pretty awesome sight to see then. Just as loud as the standard 747s, but not as a long roll. The rate of climb, as far as I can tell is the same too. I've seen SPs in other carriers' liveries at LAX, but Pan Am, United & Qantas are the three I remembered the most. Regards.
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sun Aug 10, 2003 12:06 pm

Thanks again for the information.
 
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Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:01 pm

I flew PA006 SIN/HKG/SFO in 1983. SIN/HKG was N742PA 747-121 "Neptune's Car." In HKG, the -121 went on to NRT and LAX. SFO pax transferred to N536PA 747SP-21 "Clipper Lindbergh." Take-off roll long heavy out of Kai-Tak. About 12 hours flying time. VERY smooth flight (April). Landing SFO smooth until runway, then bumpy due SFO paving. I do remember there were no air vents above the seats and PA put up a paper wallmap with the provision for an unsked fueling stop in ANC. No need. Terrific aircraft with a smooth climb (fuel burn-off for altitude seemed smoother than a -400), easy cruise, and comfortable descent. Incredible days of flying.
 
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My hometown of Wellington (WLG), New Zealand had daily Qantas 747SP flights during the early '80s because of the short runway and Qantas' old policy of being the world's only exclusively 747 airline. Flights came in from Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane on Australia's Eastern sea-board. And at the time, Air New Zealand had no international flights in or out - and this is our nation's capital - they'd recently retired their DC-8's and were awaiting delivery of the new 767 fleet.


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They (back to the SP's) were both majestic and at times ungainly looking, lifting off with incredible economy of runway length and coming to a halt even faster on landing.


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Have flown on TWA, Pan-Am, Qantas and United SP's. One unusual characteristic is that they are even faster than a 200 series. About half an hour faster than a 400 series between SFO and SYD


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Exhilerating on lift off! The rapid acceleration was similar to that of a two engine craft, rather than the rolling build-up of its larger sibling. The high wing area to body mass made for an effortless launch.


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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:39 pm

Wow, Motorhussy, what a great bit of info. Never knew that QF flew SP's into WLG. Thanks for the great documentation!
 
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:32 am

When I flew a UA 747SP from SFO to HKG in 1986, I remember the plane didn't require that much runway to get off the ground; the plane was rotating and left the ground not long after reaching the center point of Runway 28R at SFO.
 
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RE: Has Anybody Ever Seen A 747sp Take Off.

Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:45 am

Seen an few, and some really rocketed into the sky. They´d outperform any lightly loaded 757 regardless of engines.
But I doubt they were going on long-hauls.
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