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URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 2:32 am

I just heard on TV Cubana flight crashed in Guatemala!!
170 people on board. Can anyone confirm it?
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 3:23 am

OK, I'm back with better info. Sorry for the wait. Reports say that the plane landed safely, but then skidded off & finally crashed into some houses nearby. The report says the plane was an Airbus, but no info on type; conflicting reports on number of people on board, because some people on the ground were hurt; one report says one person on the ground died. That's the latest I have. I'll be back with more complete information as soon as I can.
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 3:29 am

If it's an Airbus, it was probably an Irish registered jet, an A320 from Translift.

If this is true, it's the first total loss of a jet belonging to an Irish airline. Keep us posted, Derico!
 
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 3:37 am

Kaitak:
They just said on TV it was a A320. How do you know it is registered to Ireland? If I can't reply soon, don't worry, i'll try to be back as soon as I can, if I can get all my work done!!
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 3:46 am

The only A320s operated by Cubana are wet leased from Translift. According to the JP Airline fleets, these are EI-TLH and TLJ.
 
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RE: It Was A DC10.

Wed Dec 22, 1999 4:42 am

I was just reading on "Yahoo Aviation Clubs" that A Cubana DC10 with 278 passengers (mostly students) and crew ran off the rwy at Guatemala City, ran off the end of the runway and hit two concrete shacks. Three died - one 14 year old girl and the two pilots.

Cubana does not own any DC10s, so I'm wondering if this is the aircraft leased from the French airline AOM.
 
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RE: I Heard It Was A A-320

Wed Dec 22, 1999 4:59 am

I heard from Reuters that it was an Airbus A-320, not a DC-10.


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I just heard on TV Cubana flight crashed in Guatemala!!
170 people on board. Can anyone confirm it?
 
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RE: I Heard It Was A A-320

Wed Dec 22, 1999 5:05 am

I was just watching the BBC's Ceefex service; the aircraft was a chartered DC10. The accident sounds a lot worse than previously thought. The fatalities now stand at five, with the toll "likely to rise as more bodies are pulled from the wreckage". The BBC says 240, but the other report says 278, either way too big for a 320.

It's reported that the aircraft ran off the runway "after the pilot miscalculated the landing".

(Now that I think of it, do you remember a good few years ago, a TACA 767 ran off the runway in Central America? Was it Guatemala as well?)
 
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 5:10 am

Is there a news website that is covering the crash? If so, what is it? Does anyone know what day the plane crashed?
 
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RE: I Heard It Was A A-320

Wed Dec 22, 1999 5:19 am

I was thinking the same thing about the number of passengers would make it too small for it to be a A-320. According to the news article, Cubana said they fly the A-320 to Guatemala three times a week and apparently that was what they were using as a source for the type of aircraft.

I wouldn't think they'd be flying DC-10's becuase of the US embargo?


Kaitak wrote:
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I was just watching the BBC's Ceefex service; the aircraft was a chartered DC10. The accident sounds a lot worse than previously thought. The fatalities now stand at five, with the toll "likely to rise as more bodies are pulled from the wreckage". The BBC says 240, but the other report says 278, either way too big for a 320.

It's reported that the aircraft ran off the runway "after the pilot miscalculated the landing".

(Now that I think of it, do you remember a good few years ago, a TACA 767 ran off the runway in Central America? Was it Guatemala as well?)
 
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It Was A DC-10

Wed Dec 22, 1999 5:24 am

CNN is carrying the story and has a photo:

http://www.cnn.com/1999/WORLD/americas/12/21/guatemala.plane.crash/index.html
 
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RE: It Was A DC-10

Wed Dec 22, 1999 5:28 am

Thanks for confirming that, I just pulled up the article with the picture.

Interesting to note CNN says 4 years ago the same exact thing happened with a DC-8 aircraft.

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CNN is carrying the story and has a photo:

http://www.cnn.com/1999/WORLD/americas/12/21/guatemala.plane.crash/index.html
 
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 6:17 am

Hey Guys, Derico here. I'm sorry I was out so long. Have to work for a living, you know. The last I heard is that it was a DC-10, not an A320. As usual with the media, they spew anything but the truth. Sorry about the innacuracy, just blindly following news reports thinking they were accurate. There seems to be lots of confusion over the death toll, they now say 8. And yes, many were students. I was shocked to hear it was at least 200 though! Plus people on the ground, let's all prey for them & their families. It look like weather could be a factor, seen they say it has rained in Guatemala for days now, & the runway was wet when this happened.
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 6:29 am

There was just a quick 5 second footage on the BBC news and it was an AOM (Air Outre Mer) DC10. The weather looked quite fine (although that was some time after, obviously). The tragic news is that the death toll has now risen to 83 (according to the Cuban news agency.)
 
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 6:55 am

Kaitak:
You know how the weather in the tropics is! One second the sun shines, the next it look like the end of the world rain. Probably it rained before the aircraft landed, & the runway was still wet. If that death toll you gave is correct, then that's terrible.
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Deja Vu, All Over Again (TACA)

Wed Dec 22, 1999 7:12 am

This doesn't especially sound like an airport you want to hydroplane off the runway at. CNN has a photo on their site, and it's amazing the aircraft looks as intact as it is, given the terrain.

See this link for background on the TACA 767 accident at the same airport...

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1993/930406-1.htm
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 7:24 am

Kaitak wrote:
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There was just a quick 5 second footage on the BBC news and it was an AOM (Air Outre Mer) DC10. The weather looked quite fine (although that was some time after, obviously). The tragic news is that the death toll has now risen to 83 (according to the Cuban news agency.)

I haven't heard such a high death toll, Kaitak. Two different reports I saw said between 3 & 8 fatalities. Really strange than a Cuban news agency would give such a dramatically higher count. Usually communist goverments try to hide bad news as long as possible.
I think we should all wait a while until more definite news comes in about the crash.
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 10:27 am

Filed at 7:39 p.m. ET

By Reuters
GUATEMALA CITY (Reuters) - A Cubana airlines flight with 314 people on board skidded off the runway at the Guatemala City airport and into a neighborhood on Tuesday, killing at least 14 people and injuring 45, officials said.

The French-owned DC-10 plane chartered by the Cuban national airline Cubana de Aviacion slid into houses beyond the end of the runway after the pilot miscalculated the landing shortly after 10 a.m., Peter Zimeri, director of Guatemala's Civil Aviation, told Reuters.

``Up until now the official figure is 14 dead,'' Zimeri told Reuters. Earlier, he had put a preliminary death toll at six.

There were 296 passengers and 18 crew members on the aircraft, according to the Civil Aeronautics Institute of Cuba.

Emergency workers said they would keep searching for more victims in the wreckage of the plane, which was carrying 240 Guatemalan students attending Cuba's Latin American Medical School and other Cuban universities.

Jorge Villavicencio, director of Guatemala City's Roosevelt Hospital, told Reuters a 12-year-old boy and two women had been killed on the ground, in the poor La Libertad neighborhood.

Zimeri did not identify the dead but Guatemala's Radio Sonora said that pilot Cecilio Hernandez had been killed.

A Reuters correspondent on the scene said the plane crushed five houses after it shot off the runway and down a grassy slope. The crash severed the plane's cockpit and the first-class area from the rest of the plane, he said.

Guatemala City's international airport is at the edge of a plateau, with the La Libertad neighborhood lying slightly below the level of the airport, at the end of the runway.

Emergency workers pulled bloody survivors from the wreckage as shocked neighbors wept nearby. Clothes and shoes from burst suitcases were scattered throughout the area.

One of the students on the plane, Carlos Flores, said the aircraft landed without any problem but then was unable to stop.

``We landed and then there was like a vacuum. The plane started to slide off and we fell into a small ravine,'' said Flores, the president of a student group from the Latin American Medical School.

Another student who was on board told Radio Sonora no students were injured. ``Thank God all the students are fine. We were coming home for Christmas,'' said Maria Carina.

But Julio Adan, a neighbor who helped emergency workers in the rescue, said he pulled three wounded girls from the wreckage.

``We knew something like this was going to happen sometime. It's something we are always thinking about: that a plane is going to fall on top of us,'' Adan told Reuters.

The neighborhood has been hit before. On April 28,1995, a DC-8 cargo plane overshot the runway and smashed into a house in La Libertad, killing six people.

And in April 1993, a TACA Airlines Boeing 767 jet ran off a rain-slicked runway at the same airport and crashed into nearby houses, but there were no serious injuries.

Cubana de Aviacion began flying between Havana and Guatemala City in June with three weekly round-trip flights.

Cubana's last major accident was in August 1998, when 81 people in Ecuador were killed in a crash blamed on human error. In that accident, the Russian-made Tupolev 154M careened off the runway and exploded while attempting takeoff from Quito airport.



 
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RE: Thank You, HZ-AKF

Wed Dec 22, 1999 10:53 am

Derico here. Thank's for that report, HZ-AKF, hopefully the death toll won't rise more than that, but I'm afraid that the latest reports say people that were on the ground may still be crushed under the plane. Let's hope for the best. Be lucky.
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RE: Thank You, HZ-AKF

Wed Dec 22, 1999 1:20 pm

No problem Derico. Some more news (44 now dead)....


GUATEMALA CITY (Reuters) - At least 26 people died and 44 were injured on Tuesday when a Cubana airlines plane with 314 aboard slid off the runway after landing at Guatemala City airport, officials said.

``We have a ... list of 26 people dead and a total of 44 injured,'' Oscar Bonilla, commander of Guatemala City Municipal Firefighters told a news conference. The dead included eight Cuban crew members, nine passengers and nine Guatemala City residents, he added.

Peter Zimeri, director of civil aviation in Guatemala City, said it was not immediately clear what caused the accident but that an investigation would be launched. It was one of the worst aviation accidents in Guatemala's history, he said.

The French-owned DC-10 plane chartered by the Cuban national airline Cubana de Aviacion was carrying 296 passengers and 18 crew members.

The passengers included 276 Guatemalan medical students attending Cuba's Latin American Medical School and other Cuban universities who were on their way home for Christmas, said Cuba's ambassador to Guatemala, Freddy Torres.

Guatemala City's international airport is at the edge of a plateau with the La Libertad neighborhood lying slightly below the level of the airport at the end of the runway.



 
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The DC10 Was From Aom?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 2:15 pm

Hi! Well i heard that the DC-10 was from French carrier AOM. Was it operated by a french crew?



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RE: The DC10 Was From Aom?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 2:23 pm

Dont know if the a/c was leased from AOM but the crew was definitely NOT french. Read the press release above.....
 
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F-GTDI

Wed Dec 22, 1999 2:32 pm

Apparantly it was

F-GTDI

SN:#[46890/77]

Manufactured: 06/12/72
Delivered to AOM: 05/01/96

previously served with JAT and RKA (Yugoslavian Air Transport & Air Afrique)

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F-GTDI

Wed Dec 22, 1999 2:34 pm

Its not apparantlt F-GTDI it is - Ive just received a picture that clearly shows the registration to be F-GTDI.

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Bradley Mortimer
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Pictures Of The Plane.....

Wed Dec 22, 1999 2:37 pm

Here are some pictures of this aircraft.....
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RE: F-GTDI

Wed Dec 22, 1999 3:08 pm

hello
what was the registration when it was an Air Afrique D10?
thanks
 
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TU-TAL

Wed Dec 22, 1999 3:22 pm

it was

TU-TAL

hope this helps!!!!

ps. If anyone wants the picture email me and Ill be happy to email you it!

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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 3:33 pm

Awful tragedy, but some bloody awesome photographs!
 
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RE: TU-TAL

Wed Dec 22, 1999 5:02 pm

thanx luftaom
 
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25 Fatalities!

Wed Dec 22, 1999 6:09 pm

25 fatalities so far
of which 9 were crew
Most of the passengers on board were all children, returning home from various boarding schools to there families for christmas!
 
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RE: URGENT: Cubana Just Crashed?

Wed Dec 22, 1999 6:44 pm

HI all, the latest report I have direct from AOM's staff talks about 26 deads and 72 injuries. Pilot is dead. Copilot is a good friend of mine. I'll try to talk with him as soon as I can. I'll give you more infos when I have.
Crew was half/half cubana (f/as) and AOM (technical crew).
 
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RE: Pictures Of The Plane.....

Wed Dec 22, 1999 6:45 pm

Thanks for the Pics, Iainhol!

That one on extreme final approach over a beach is something special.

If possible could u e-mail it to me at longjohnny8@aol.com

Thanks heaps!
 
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Latest Info:

Thu Dec 23, 1999 1:12 am

For anyone interested still, & want some hard numbers on the crash, this is the latest:

- 26 people dead: 8 crew, 9 passengers, 9 people on the ground.
- 44 Injured total.
- 314 passengers on board plane.

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RE: TU-TAL

Thu Dec 23, 1999 1:48 am

luftaom or someone else could you say me the registration of all the DC10 Air Afrique...
thanks for your help
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Pictures Of The Plane NOW...

Thu Dec 23, 1999 3:40 am

Available http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_574000/574840.stm
 
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RE: Pictures Of The Plane NOW...

Thu Dec 23, 1999 5:26 am

Thanks, Tailscraper. It's amazing the airplane did not catch fire & explode! The crew did a good job cutting off fuel to the engines.
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AOM Concerns

Thu Dec 23, 1999 12:41 pm

AOM has said the AOM aircraft which crashed in Guatemala has been on dry lease to Cubana for about 3 years i.e it was maintained by Cubana and flown by Cubana crews. They were concerned that the pictures of the aircraft depicted the AOM logo.

As far as I know Air Afrique no longer has any DC-10's

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Bradley Mortimer
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