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Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:41 am

More evidence of the sad state of the airline industry: USAirways 737-400 N407US, N408US, and N413US are being ferried to Nimes, France to be broken up for parts. These are 1988 build aircraft, retired in 2002 after only fourteen years of service. This according to the Mojave newsgroup.

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N413US (boy I miss Piedmont!)

 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:00 am

Interesting shot of N413US, in a transitional US/Piedmont livery, I believe thats the old USAir red scheme with Piedmont titles in red (not the usual blue).

Quite amazing that 734s are being broken up, but these 734s, likely among the first off the line, are probably worth more in parts than in one piece....storage costs are high, and since the 734 had a smaller customer base that the 733, off to chop-shop they go. Sad.

The 734, even more than the 733, has been overshadowed by the 737NG aircraft....airlines seem to really appreciate the extra seats and extra range of the 738 over the 734 (which was always just a bit short on range), thus finding new operators for 734s is a bit difficult.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:56 am

What happened to PROAir's 737-400s. Were their 734s BRAND NEW off the line, or were they used? What happened to them, and where are they now?
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:02 am

What happened to PROAir's 737-400s
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:03 pm

What's really going on with US? They seem to be sending a steady stream of planes to the knackers - is it to keep down their costs by providing themselves a supply of self-generated spare-parts? While the 737 Classics (esp. 400) are shorter on range than NG 737s and Airbus narrow-bodies they still attract used sales - indeed several of Ansett's stored 733s have now found new homes even after one was torn up. Nobody else seems to be breaking up Classic 737s at present.

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:20 pm

All these aircraft, I suspect, are coming up on D checks. With so many aircraft out there, it would be a long time before doing the D check would pay for itself, so the planes are being turned into parts. I expect we'll see a lot of older 737-300/400's go this route in the current market, as well as MD-80's (CO's fleet comes to mind).

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 3:01 pm

Why go all the way to Nimes, France to break the planes up? Why don't they just fly them to Mojave or somewhere in the US to be broken up?
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 3:12 pm

It is up to the leasing company or the company that purchased the planes from US Airways as to where they go to be broken up. Also, I seriously doubt US Airways has much say in what happens with the planes. The used aircraft market is extremely saturated right now, and there was talk a couple months back that Boeing may actually start buying used aircraft to scrap them to improve new aircraft sales.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:03 pm

Strange to see that these birds are cut-off while still many of the noisy 737-200s fly around...
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:37 pm

Hey IslandHopper : You're not the only one that misses Piedmont my friend. What a great company that was!! I remember how happy the employees were there...as a 13 year old, I remember going with my father to Mr. Davis' retirement party (the founder and CEO as you probably know) out at Wake Forest University. Everyone at the company gave what money they desired and surprised him with a new Mercedes as a thank you/retirement gift!! I doubt I'll ever see anything like that happen at an airline ever again. Even though your posted picture of 413US has the "burnt toast" red of USAir's colors, it still brings back good memories of the good old days of the Pacemaker.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:13 am

I saw N413US in Kingman last month and the paint was flaking off the to of her. Sad to hear . You would think smaller airlines (Ryan and Casino Express) would want to pick these up to replace the old gas guzzling -200's .
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:42 am

Can anyone find out the current hours/cycles on these airframes, and how close they were to a heavy check?

On the Boeing used aircraft site, they have a 747 there fresh out of a D-check with something like 106,000 hours on it. I cannot imagine why anyone would put an over 100,000 hour airframe thru a D-check, let alone if they were going to try to dispose of it immediately afterwards.

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:15 am

Can anyone find out the current hours/cycles on these airframes, and how close they were to a heavy check?

Don't have any information on 407/408/413, but their sister ships 406 and 409 have both approximately 42000h/28000 cycles. (Source : Airclaims database)

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:26 am

That is quite suprsing. I wouldn't expect them to be scrapped till at least 60,000 hours. I suppose though the accountants thought this was better than paying $500 a month each to park in California. Hell, I'd let them park it on my lawn for much cheaper!

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:34 am

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:06 am

4holer:

You're right. I must have been on crack when I typed that! Great site though, when it is updated regularly.

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:35 am

Spacepope - they are in Kingman ,Arizona , not Cali.
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:59 am

Caught me again. I see N413US was ferried IGM-YYR on Aug. 04. A database search shows 407, 408, 411, 413, 415, and 431 all in storage, but 413 is listed at MHV, not IGM... Guess it really doesn't matter now, as they're on their way to becoming razor blades.

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 4:58 am

The irony is, now that I look at my Airliner World 2003 Year Planner, the US 734 shown is indeed 415. It would thus be very ironic if this year is the one in which it dies!

The issue of needing D-checks is plausible but I still think US has a say in the destruction of these planes - if it were the lessors why are no other 737 Classics (3/4/5) being scrapped? (One may omit the 5 since it is relatively new and has been quicker to be resold, especially to East European carriers.)

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:06 am

Here's a pic I took of the 3 of them last month in IGM -
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:04 am

Yeah, Piedmont was great! Another great airline (ditto PSA) gobbled up by the eternally mis-managed USAir.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:47 am

BTW, this makes a total of six USAirways 737 classics broken up. The other three are being broken up at Greenwood, Mississippi. One -300 (N534AU) and two -400s (N411US, and N412US) are there. All with less than 15 years of service.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 1:04 am

Yes, Piedmont was a classy operation - loved by pilots and passengers alike.

Here's a nice fantasy: an Airbus A321 in the old Piedmont colors:

http://www.mikephotos.net/dea/photos/piedmonta321.jpg
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 1:10 am

I spotted N439US departing from IAD yesterday afternoon. I wonder how much longer it has for service?
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 1:16 am

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:27 am

Why would US spend money on new Airbuses, when they could run these 734's thru a D check for a lot less?

More mis management?
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:56 am

Seeing perfectly good 737-400s going to the scrap yard just turns my stomach. Nothing illustrates the sorry state of affairs in commercial aviation these days as clearly as that. I guess it's only a matter of time before we start seeing MD80s and 757/767s going that route. Sad.

On another note, I miss Piedmont a lot too. What a great airline that was!
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 4:12 am

MD80Nut , I saw a TWA 767 getting scrapped in VCV last month  Sad
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 4:27 am

So TWA 767s are getting scrapped too? Man, it's worst than I thought! It's one thing when old 727s and DC-9s get scrapped, after all, they are getting up there, but when you see aircraft with a lot of time left on their airframes going down, you know it's bad!

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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 5:43 am

I bet the 767's were old 200's, delivered in the early 80's to TWA.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 6:17 am

This SUCKS. I fondly remember my first ride on a 737-400 from CLT-ILM on Piedmont/UsAir summer of '88. It was a very rough landing at ILM bouncing on the runway very hard. I grew up in Wilmington, NC in the 80's and if you said anything bad about Piedmont someone might kick your ass!
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:21 am

Those TWA 767's that were scrapped had lots of hours and cycles on the clock, those things were worked hard over 60,000 hours. They where really worked hard after the 747's and L1011's were retired in 98 and 97 respectively
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:31 am

Which PI 737-400 made that one-wheeled emergency landing at GSO just 5 days before the US merger?
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:08 am

Sad to see some of the workhorses of US's fleet getting broken up.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:56 am

I thought you guys may like to see some more. I have a new host,so they won't get deleted after 2 days. I just love IGM ! Short fences and no pearing eyes!






Note the intact DL727 new colors.........
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 10:26 am

Some trivia on N413US, this was the "chock in the gear" emergency landing at GSO aircraft. (circa 1989)

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/n413us/photo.shtml
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:05 am

Thats too bad, was just flying on a US Airways 737-400 today from CLT-BOS.
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:45 am

It's too bad that US Airways is getting rid of a lot their 737s and getting more Airbuses. I would much rather fly on a 737 than an A319, A320, or an A321!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:00 pm

It's pretty sad to see those Boeings going to the to be cut up and all that Us Air will have left when the smoke clears is Airbus. I suspect that the -400s will be all gone in the near future, replaced by the A320. The last time I worked on the -400's, in 2001, they were starting to look a little rough around the edges, so by now a lot of them will need all new interiors, paint, etc. Most of these aircraft were sold by Us Air to the leasing company and then leased back to the airline...must make more business sense. All US Air is doing is turning the aircraft back to the leasor to get out of the lease...must be time to make an Airbus payment.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:46 am

>Why would US spend money on new Airbuses, when they could run these 734's thru a D check for a lot less? More mis management?

No, pretty smart actually. USAir sold these planes and leased them back (as USairmech said), then declared bankruptcy which got them out of the leases. So the leasing company is stuck with these birds in a tough resale market, while USAir gets to lease (or buy?) new A320s for probably the same as they were paying for the old -400s. Wasteful, yes, but smart business for USAir.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:57 am

I was unaware of the sale/leaseback deal.
I still find it ironic that the 2 US airlines that went BK had Wolf at the helm, and made big commitments to acquire Airbus jets. (Don't turn this into A vs B)
My point is along the lines of business management of overall operating costs/ start up costs for each new type, etc.. then sticking the leasing companies with still useful aircraft.

Smells fishy to me.
 
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RE: Three More USAirways 737-400s To The Crusher!

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:57 am

As far as ferrying the planes to France goes...it's supposedly a French company that is going to inventory the parts for European customers. It's easier (and cheaper?) to ferry them to France than to ship all the parts individually. At least they'll get one last glorious flight before meeting the scrap torch.

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