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Virgin To OZ, How About Via LAX?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:17 am

Hiya all

Just wondering? All the staff newsletters I've read and bumpf in the Media (Richards letter to QF chief a killer by the way!!!!!!) suggest that the new route will be via Asia.

My question is why not via LAX, we have two daily rotations so give one over to a thru service to OZ? I know its not that simple but what are your thunks on the matter?

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RE: Virgin To OZ, How About Via LAX?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:31 am

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RE: Virgin To OZ, How About Via LAX?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:34 am

There has to be an open skies agreement with the all the coutries involved. We don't have one with Australia or England. We do with New Zealand. Air New Zealand has a LAX-LHR routing, but it's operated by LHR-based crews. Until oneside budges, nothing will happen.
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RE: Virgin To OZ, How About Via LAX?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:37 am

In the long term I would expect Branson to start up Virgin Pacific with 2 or 3 routes: Sydney-Hong Kong, Sydney-Los Angeles and Sydney-Dubai. From the other direction, there'd be London-LA, London-Hong Kong, London-Dubai operated by Virgin Atlantic. The two would be separate entities but operate a codeshare (luggage transfer etc, and each plane would wait for the other etc).

That way, the "picking up pax in Hong Kong for Sydney" thing would be no problem. It would be 2 separate airlines, no cabotage rights required.

Ok, pure fantasizing (halluscinating, whatever you want to call it), but what I'd love to see would be:
2003 Virgin Blue starts a subsidiary, Pacific Blue, which operates to New Zealand
2003 Virgin announces order for 10 744ER and 15 737-700, with some options
2004 Virgin Atlantic operates their first flights to Sydney via Hong Kong or Singapore
2004 American Blue (or Virgin America) starts operations with 737s, taking up as many of UA's routes (post UA's collapse) as they can. They grow quicker than Virgin Blue
2005 Virgin Atlantic begin scheduled operations into Baghdad
2005 Virgin Blue gains international rights to Hong Kong and the USA for its Pacific Blue subsidiary, starting 2006
2005 Virgin Atlantic reopen Chicago and Toronto
2006 Virgin America orders 757s and 737s to grow quickly
2006 Pacific Blue renamed Virgin Pacific receives 4 ex-VS A340s and starts operations to Hong Kong LAX. The A343s are replaced by 744ERs
2007 Dubai gets started jointly by Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Pacific
2007 Virgin Atlantic add Vancouver and Mexico City
2008 The codeshare agreements between Virgin America, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Pacific and Virgin Blue become an alliance with full cooperation (i.e. luggage transfers, Frequent Flyer Miles on Atlantic & Pacific that can also be redeemed (but not collected) on Blue and America and, if it still exists by then, Express).
2009 Virgin Atlantic grow in Africa
2009 Virgin Pacific connect up to South Africa, SFO and Tokyo. By now all the A343s are at Virgin Pacific
2010 Virgin announces intentions for next order, becomes launch customer of 7E7 for opening new hubs (say, Manchester, Brussels (post-collapse of SN Brussels Airways), Zurich (post-collapse of Swiss) and Auckland), as well as ordering extra A380s and 737s
2012 Singapore Airlines exits Star and joins Virgin Alliance, renaming themselves into Virgin Sing  Acting devilish just kidding on that one

Not likely, huh? It's what this particular armchair-general would be aiming for, were I in Branson's shoes...



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RE: Virgin To OZ, How About Via LAX?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:48 am

I think that Virgin intends to route its service from London to Austalia via Hong Kong......2 reasons, there is money to be made on the Hong Kong-Sydney/Melbourne route while building the London-Hong Kong segment maybe to two or three daily flights, and, its avoids a lot of the competition which transit Singapore or Bangkok on the Kanagroo route.

Flying London to Sydney via LAX adds about 2 hours of flying time to the trip, something that does not appeal to business and premium travellers that Virgin hopes to attract on the route. However, I could see, in the future, Virgin opening a LHR-LAX-Auckland route........which would work well with Virgin Blue's (or another Virgin subsidiary, see the discussion above) likely expansion into New Zealand.
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RE: Virgin To OZ, How About Via LAX?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:50 am

The shortest path from LHR to SYD is almost straight through HKG, so it makes sense...
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RE: Virgin To OZ, How About Via LAX?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:34 am

Or there is always JNB as a last resort, no jet lag on LHR-JNB sector either.

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RE: Virgin To OZ, How About Via LAX?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:03 am

Air NZ are beginning to suffer from the choices of high fare pax. NZ-Europe is the same either way, but many people like me - who do NZ-Europe 4-5 times a year - have switched from LAX to SIN or HKG. The reason? Simple. The utter misery and personal unpleasantness of the security at LAX

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