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BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:47 am

In case you didnt know HP will start nonstop service from LAX and SFO to BOS and JFK in December with 319's.
 
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RE: BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:16 am

Yeah, this is true for HP to begin nonstop from JFK/BOS to SFO/LAX flight on the transcontinental flight on an the Airbus A319 aircraft and it was competition of those some airlines is: B6, AA, UA, and DL, too. It was quite very well on those flight by than other airlines.  Smile
 
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RE: BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:12 am

Seems like a good move... very profitable route, as I understand it, though I have a hard time seeing them compete specifically out of LAX and SFO, given AA and UAs respective hubs at those locations... each offering international level service on the route.
 
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RE: BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:21 am

I could be wrong, but I do not think HP will be very successful with these routes - HP may be able to fill up the A319s, but not with yeild business passengers. AA and UA especially work hard to keep their loyal full fare premium passengers happy on these routes, with frequent departures and 3 cabin widebody aircraft offering service similiar to that offered on overseas flights. It is unlikely that business travellers that commute between JFK and LAX several times per month will give up a premium class seat on an AA or UA 767 (and all of those miles) to fly on an America West A319.
 
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RE: BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:10 am

Dutchjet,
On these routes, America West is not going after the loyal UA and AA premium passengers. They are going after the business traveller seeking a lower fare than what UA and AA can offer. Comparatively speaking for this route...you're right, the yields will be low, however, they will have among the highest yields for America West. These new routes will also lower America West's CASM between the markets and free up Phoenix and Las Vegas for other markets and O&D traffic.
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RE: BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:18 am

An email I recieved from HP indicates that their new transcon routes begin October 26 -- I find the flights listed in Sabre on October 26 as well. HP's email makes the point that they will be the only low-fare airline with non-stop transcons between the main airports in the respective coastal metroplexes.
 
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RE: BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:35 am

HP's email makes the point that they will be the only low-fare airline with non-stop transcons between the main airports in the respective coastal metroplexes.

It sounds like America West is targeting jetBlue instead of AA/UA. Good for them.
 
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RE: BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:55 am

It sounds like America West is targeting jetBlue instead of AA/UA. Good for them.

I disagree. They're taking dead aim at AA and UA, but with the idea of skimming customers from them, not creating mass defections.

Bear in mind, HP already carries a good number of passengers LAX-JFK...but they do it by funnelling them through PHX or LAS, which is a less-than-efficient use of those hubs. It's like DL did with Song; you take the "el cheapo" customer and throw 'em on nonstop, high-density service and bypass the hub, leaving it for higher-yield connecting traffic.

In this case, HP gets everything they want. They free up PHX and LAS for higher-yielding connecting traffic, keep their existing LAX-JFK customers, and even ADD some thanks to their new nonstops. On top of all that, the majority of the new customers they'll be adding will be paying a higher average fare than they get elsewhere in their system.

Any hit against B6 will be the icing on the cake.
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RE: BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:57 am

I do not understand the aircraft choice here. On transcon flights, the pressure on lavatories is strong...almost always in use, especially after/before the meal service. Are these A319s going to be equipped with one or two more lavs, or are they going to be 'standard issue' A319s? Going east, the problem is probably less severe than going west...where you're talking 5.5 to 6 hours in a plane that is probably the same size (or smaller?) than a DC-9-30.

Chris in NH
 
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RE: BOS JFK From LAX SFO On HP

Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:09 pm

Sounds like they've decided to grab the action that jetBlue has left behind...I suspect they'll be quite successful at running a couple of flights a day.

Steve

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