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Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:04 am

Just curious --

Has anyone ever flown on a Shorts 360? I remember seeing some retired planes (US Air Express and AA Eagle) parked at ABI for parts. These planes look very spartan -- what are they like?
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:13 am

Well, I've flown many time the very similar Short 330 with Olympic Airways, on domestic inter-Islands service... What a funny Aircraft !!!

Who operates the Short 360 now ???



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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:14 am

The passenger cabin appears to be very large. Is it?
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:20 am

And check out this one!


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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:21 am

I took a Shorts once. I don't remember the operator, since it was chartered.
From outside, I don't like it. I am still wondering how it can fly....
But I really enjoyed the size of the cabin, and this flight was very nice.
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:31 am

Hi Ssides

I flew on a Connectair (forerunner of Cityflyer) S360 a few years back between Gatwick and Dusseldorf. We were remote parked at LGW and there were a few American pax (presumeably transferring from a Transatlantic flt) who looked a bit shocked when the bus pulled up at the little white 'shed' on the ramp. The cabin is quite spacious with I'd guess a lot more headroom than an ERJ for example. It's not pressurised so cruises at about 10000ft and is not fast (about 250kt?) so it took us a long time to get to DUS and it was a bit bumpy, but the views were good from the big windows. The other thing I remember is that instead of the usual door to the flightdeck at the front there are two little doors at either side behind the flightdeck seats. The hostie had to go to each door to hand the pilot + f/o their drinks/food.

i don't know of any still in pax service although there are a number flying night freight.


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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:56 am

Biz Ex used to fly them when I worked for them. We used to call them "Sky Pigs."

Cabin was large. But the plane is not quite so aerodynamic as others. Because of the shape, and because was not pressurized (and didn't fly at higher alititudes) it didn't take bumps that well.
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:02 am

Anyone know what markets the 360 flew in the US? Hopefully, they were mercifully short!
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:02 am

In the British Isles, Aurigny uses a 360 on its inter-island flights between Jersey and Guernsey.
Also think that Loganair still has one in its fleet.
BAC Express Airlines has a number which are mainly used for freight but operate a number of seasonal passenger charters to the Channel Islands.

The aircraft was a very common sight at most UK airports in the late '80's-early 90's with carriers such as Jersey European, BA Express, Loganair, Air UK, Capital, Titan Aiways, Manx, Gill Airways and British Air Ferries amongst others operating the type during this period. However it is becoming something of a rarity these days.
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:04 am

Done 30 rides on "Shed"s in my time... G-BMHX, G-BMHY and G-WACK, all British Midland. Pretty much all of them were EMA to LHR or vice versa. When I worked at British Midland, they were always referred to as the "Shed" or the "Box", but we sometimes used to call them the "Irish Concorde" Big grin

It is often said that if Airfix made a model kit of a Short 360, they wouldn't need a box to put the bits in - they'd just put the other bits inside the fuselage.

Unpressurised, so most flights were at 8000' to 10000', and the big windows made for great views as long as the flight wasn't in IMC, in which case you got bounced around a fair bit. Quite noisy in comparison to modern RJs, but the cabin was far more roomy. I always liked flying on the Shed. I remember one Christmas Eve, when the weather had been bad in Jersey, BD Ops sent one of the Sheds to JER to pick up the straggling passengers who wanted to be home for the holiday. A one hour sector on a jet would've been quite a haul on a Shed. Whilst I'm sure that the pax were greatful to be back home, we had a bit of a grin when we thought about them flying all that way in a 360.

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:11 am

hiiii

That Shorts 330 from Olympic was used on the movie "SUMMER LOVERS", ehehehe, a very hot film, passed in Santorini island.... lot of good girls and very sexy scenes... ihihih and the poor Shorts 330 in the middle of it!

So... we can say that the shorts 330 is a very "erotic" aircraft!!!

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:15 am

They are very spacious inside, I used to dispatch them at LBA many years ago. We used to have AirUK, Jersey European and CityFlyer Express operating the SH360 when I worked there.

I remember watching one take of in about 40knt winds that were blowing straight down the cross runway at LBA, the thing was in the air after about 200ft and climbed straight up to about 300ft then just sat there hovering above the airport. It must have taken the thing about 4-5 mins to fly to the airfield boundry. Everyone was just standing watching it with open mouths, it was the only time apart from a Harrier that I had seen a fixed wing a/c almost stationary in the air !!!.

Also once met a flight from LGW-LBA that had flown up during some very very heavy winds. The Cabin crew girl was white as a sheet when she opened that door and said she had not left her seat since she sat in it for take off at LGW. The pax were coming off and handing her bags of vomit, but they had not even used the proper bags, just the plastic bag that protected the inflight magazine as they hadn't had time to take the proper sick bag out !!.

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:41 am

There were Shorts active in southern California in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Golden West flew 330s and Imperial 360s on LAX-SAN and other routes.
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:48 am

Just flew on Aurigny's Shorts 360 from Jersey to Guernsey vv. two months ago. As I was directly connecting from a Dash8-Q400 flight, it was quite a remarkable jump in aviation history Big grin

Nevertheless, the Shorts is less noisy inside than one would expect (OK, I sat in the second last row...) and offers great views through the large windows. Definitely an enjoyable aircraft for the 15min hop!

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:51 am

Skymonster,

You think JER-EMA is bad, Air UK once sent G-DASI from LBA-CDG and back !!!. They had to leave the catering behind so they could carry enough fuel for the journey. Flight time was about 2:30 on that thing.

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:54 am

Zrs70,
I remember a BOS - ACK - BOS on a Business Express 360.
Had a great omelet at Nantucket and flew back into the afternoon heat at Logan. Can't remember when I was thrown around an aircraft more than that afternoon.
With my 6 foot something I could stand up so yes, it had a lot of space, but you really needed it  Nuts

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:05 am

Leezyjet,

Talking of long sectors on the Shed, Guernsey Airlines used to run a weekend JER-MAN sector on their's. On occasions when there were good headwinds, the Shed used to have to tech-stop en-route for fuel! Happy days - flying was so much simpler in those days! Long live the Irish Concorde Big grin

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:16 am

Andy,

Yeah I used to dispatch DASI at LBA. The damn thing was tech every Monday morning as it was only mainly used on the LBA-EDI-LBA route and used to sit around from Friday evening until Monday morning. Every week, without fail something would be wrong with it. That a/c must has been operated by so many differant airlines. It came with the route each time the route changed hands between the airlines they got stuck with G-DASI.

Wonder whats happened to her now, think I'll do a search actually. She was such a sweet thing really and people who worked at LBA were very fond of her, last I knew of her she was wearing Gill Air's colours when they operated the route.

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:17 am

I was a flight attendant for Command Airways and have extensive experience on the 330 and the 360, we refered to it as either the Vomit Comet or the Chuck Wagon. You have never seen so many airsick passengers on a plane until you were on one of these in turbulence and heat.

The airline marketed it as "Fly our widebodies to White Plains."

It was a fun plane to work, the windows were huge, passengers had a great view. I have great memories or flying POU to LGA down the Hudson and flying by the World Trade Center and actually having to look UP at it as we passed and on the other side The Statue of Liberty.

Passengers had a love/hate relationship with them, they hated that it was unpressurized and a turboprob but it was usually the only alternate to B-1900, at least on us they got a lav and a drink, usually.

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:37 am

G-DASI was broken up at Gurnsey in October 2000  Sad
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:47 am

I heard somewhere once that the Shed was originally conceived as a market replacement for the aging DC-3 fleet, but that it fell short on a few fronts. Any truth to this, or did I hear a load of B.S.?
Also, something I do know is that there were a fleet of meteorological equipment laden Shorts in Canada at one point in time. It made them even more un-aerodynamic because of all the extra antennas and radars and gee gaws hanging off of it.
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:51 am

I'm surprised some Hillbilly hasn't bought one of those to use as a house, looks like it would fit in a trailor park quite well.
 
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:55 am

Pacific Costal Airlines still has a fleet of 2-5 Shorts in service from Vancouver's south terminal to places like Powell River.
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:05 am

Skymonster what do you mean by referring to the Shorts 360 as the 'Irish Concorde' ? Please explain.
 
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:06 am

Is the B-1900 pressurized?
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:42 pm

Yes, the 1900 is a pressurized airliner. IIRC, it has a service ceiling of 25,000.

As far as the Shorts 360, I know CCAir (USAir Express) operated them in the Carolinas and the Southeast. I fly with some CCAir guys now who used to fly the Shorts. Their montra is "Anyone can fly a round airplane."
 
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 4:09 pm

I have flown on several of the 360's. USAir Express used them out of CLT years ago. My coworkers nicknamed it "A Winnabego with wings"

I always enjoyed flying on them. I would much rather fly on a Shorts than a Jetstream.
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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:45 pm

Shorts produced the Skyvan transport in the 60's, a civil/military transport, the 330 was a pax development of it, I say development, that's how it started out, the 330 that flew had different engines and was in the end a completely different aircraft.
It only shared the Skyvans' boxy fuselage, economy of development and operation were design drivers, hence Shorts not going for an all new pressurized fuselage.
You have to see it in the context of the time, in the 70's regional airlines were not what they are now, a basic and cheap aircraft was needed to open up markets in the first place.
And the 330 did that well, and sold well too, in 1981 the more refined 360 flew.
Early attempts at more sophisticated regional aircraft like the VFW-614 were not a success, being too expensive and complex.
Only with the development of better turboprops and later the RJs, was the Shorts aircraft displaced, but they helped make the market in the first place.

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RE: Shorts 360?

Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:58 pm

UKair: Skymonster what do you mean by referring to the Shorts 360 as the 'Irish Concorde' ? Please explain.

Humour...

It was built in Northern Ireland... And (a) preying on the popular [but unfair] perception in England, Scotland and Wales that sometimes the Irish are sometimes a bit backwards and (b) the Sh360 is about the slowest airliner on the block... Some people called it the Irish Concorde. It also helped that the Sh360 has just about the most pointed nose of any airliner, except for Concorde!

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RE: Shorts 360?

Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:14 am

'Irish' jokes in the UK are similar to 'Polish' jokes in the US.

Shorts started out with the Skyvan, which had a 20 year production run, mostly military, some were pax versions called 'Skyliners', I believe Olympic had them in the 70's, for inter-island routes, later as shown below, they got some 330s. Today it remains popular with parachuting clubs.

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On to the 330, later a 330 version for the US military called the 'Sherpa' was built.

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Then to the 360, later some 360's were converted to military use for the US, I think the same was also true of 330s, today some 360s are used for freight, along with 330s.

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RE: Shorts 360?

Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:40 am

Well now Skymonster, although that misinterpretation of the Irish being "slow" compared to the superbrains that occupy mainland Britain (which I can confirm as being the greatest irony ever having lived in England for a year), I always gathered Irish Concorde referred to the extremely relaxed and unhurried way of live that dominates in the Emerald Isle. Of course with my limited mental capacity I am probably wrong  Smile
 
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RE: Shorts 360?

Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:47 am

Boy were those things slow and hot. But on the other hand they were incredibly safe. You could land it gear up, jack it, drop the gear, and fly it away. The thing was also able to accrete huge amounts of ice and fly safely.

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