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LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:34 am

At the far western end of the airport, just south of 24L are three satellite buildings with extra gates. I've passed these by many times; however, I've rarely seen them occupied. Does anyone know when they were constructed, how often they're used, what they're for, and what they're like inside? I would think that area could be used for expansion and a new terminal.

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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:42 am

They use as a over flow for the Tom Bradley International terminal I believe
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:49 am

If I remember the layout correctly, each satellite at the west end has 2 jetbridges each...numbered R1 thru R6...the "R" meaning "remote". It's was built as an relief, or overload terminals when the Bradley gates are all taken. Flights using the remote gates are bused over to Bradley for customs processing. It was rumored some years back that underground tunnels were to be built linking it to Bradley. As a sidenote, whenever the President is in Los Angeles, Air Force One & her support aircrafts is almost always having all the remote tarmac to themselves. Regards.
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:04 am

If there are too many aircrafts parked at the Tom Bradley Intl terminal, these remote gates are used...I have been inside the building when a Thai B747400 I was flying was parked here...the inside is just a building with a set of slanted walkways/stairs that lead to the aircraft. A bus is needed to get to here from Bradley terminal.

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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:27 am

Actually, the overflow from TBIT and Terminal 2 use the remote gates. It's purely pot luck who gets the gates, although Lan Chile's A340 flights seem to be almost permanent fixtures (the 767 flights don't seem to be affected) as well as World Airways' Air Mobility Command MD-11 flights.

Last week Air China, ANA, JAL, Thai were also boarding there.
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:27 am

But why dont they expand or build another international terminal? Money or space a problem?

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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:18 pm

The master plan for LAX shows 4 proposals. The plan that is currently the "favored" one is alternative D, which was added after Sept. 11. All plans added a whole bunch of gates. Alternative D rebuilds terminals 1-3 basically into an extension to the TBIT and adds capacity by adding a satellite terminal and adding gates to the backside of the TBIT.
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:15 pm

I flew Martinair to AMS from the sattelite stands back in 1996. The bus ride across the tarmac provided excellent viewing opportunities! The downside was that it was a bus ride...
 
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Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:18 am

You can see the alternatives that Ha763 mentions at:
http://www.laxmasterplan.org/
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Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:25 am

Alternative D is a weak political concession from the mayor and does nothing to address the fact that there aren't airports in the Socal region with sufficient capacity or attractiveness to the airlines (in ONT's case) to supplant LAX anytime soon - large expansion is needed, and the sooner the better. Alternatives A and C would benefit the Los Angeles region greatly and take great strides to compromise with area NIMBYs - particularly the elevated ring freeway connecting with the 105 and 405 that would remove much-hated LAX surface traffic from surrounding neighborhood streets.
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:44 am

I've also seen a few HA DC10's parked at the remote stands.
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:51 am

I completely agree with you Aaron747. Looking at the alternatives, Alternative D would only increase annual passenger capacity by about 1 million people (out of 78 million) versus DOING NOTHING! And I've heard Aleternative D would cost over $10 billion! Completely ridiculous.

I personally like Alternative A.
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:58 am

That's precisely the issue. Spend $10 billion for a bunch of security improvements to an aging airport, or spend $12 billion for brand new infrastructure that will last for decades to come and nearly double the airport's capacity. Alternative D is a not-so-thinly-veiled attempt to cap LAX growth and force another part of Socal to pick up the slack. That would be fine - *if* a suitable facility existed. Guess what? That's not the case.
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Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:55 am

Today's loser was Air China.

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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:00 pm

I also agree that Alternative D is terrible! And I read an article that stated that this was the plan that was most likely to be adopted, unfortunately. I don't understand why they would demolish 1, 2, 3 and replace it with a single concourse with fewer gates.

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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:04 pm

We went there one with an LH A-340 evening flight in November 2000 (LH452). We took the bus to the TBIT. Even there were emty gates at TBIT!
But even we arrived at 7pm I cleared customs, good my bags and ran to Terminal Three to catch the (now gone former Reno Air) American Airlines flight to Reno at 8pm ! I made it and even got an upgrade in First Class (Non Rev) !
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Sat Aug 16, 2003 6:06 am

Friday's losers:

Air Tahiti Nui A340
Air New Zealand 747-400
JAL 747-400
Lan Chile A340 (of course)
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Sat Aug 16, 2003 6:09 am

You start to wonder if the LAX controllers are "punishing" the A340's, due to problems associated with it's climb performance Big grin
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Sat Aug 16, 2003 6:20 am

ETA Unknown-

Why would Air New Zealand be forced to dock at the remote terminals. It's my understanding that those are for TBIT tenants only. AN uses T2. Can someone please explain???

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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:00 am

As stated before, the remote gates are used by TBIT and Terminal 2 carriers- Air China has used them twice this week and NZ probably gets stuck with them for their daylight KL / NZAA), New Zealand">AKL flights- the one time I used the remote stands was on a NZ 744 LAX-NAN-KL / NZAA), New Zealand">AKL flight.
When the remote gates are is use, Terminal 2 is being used by NW D10 to HNL, NW742 to NRT, NZ 744 to LHR, KL 744 from AMS- other gates are for narrowbodies. With Terminal 2 carriers, Air China and NZ daylight flights are not daily services, so that may have something to do with the allocation. As for Lan Chile constantly being out there, perhaps it's something as simple as they were too late in submitting their flight schedule paperwork to LAX planning dept.- I once worked for a carrier where we got the worst gate because of our tardiness.
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Sat Aug 16, 2003 2:33 pm

But when were they built was one of the questions. I have vague recollections of them in place long begore TBIT was built. Am I so addled in old age that I remember what wasn't?
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Sat Aug 16, 2003 2:38 pm

I left LAX on a 23.30 BR flight to Taipei back in March, and had to use the satellite gate. The bus took us from Gate 101 (I think) in TBIT to the remotes. It was a rather long ride - more than five minutes. The bus dropped us off at the base of the satellite gate, which is a rectangular block about the height of a three-story building. Inside is an elevator and a series of wheelchair accessible ramps leading up to the level of the aircraft door. There are no chairs, as it is not intended for passengers to wait there.

At the top of the ramps, the scene looks like a "normal" gate. Staff are on hand by the jetway to double-check boarding passes, and in my case, force me to gate-check my hand luggage because it weighed more than 7kg.  Pissed
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:06 am

Monday's losers:

Air France 777
Asiana 744
Lan Chile A340
Mexicana 757
Thai 744
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:59 am

Tuesday losers:

Air New Zealand 744
EL AL 744
JAL 744 to Osaka
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:12 am

ETA Unknown-so I take it you work at LAX?

I also have a question-I seem to recall there being a long satellite term with 5 or so gates that looked newer than 3 brown satellite buildings to the west of it. Do you know when each was built and where the aircraft you have been mentioning actually park?

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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:36 am

Does the Imperial Terminal still exist? I recall that mainly charters used it.
 
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RE: LAX Satellite Terminals

Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:20 am

Don't actually work at LAX, but very close to it.
Not sure about the specifics of the satellite gates- sorry. However, tomorrow I'm on Air China to Beijing- there's a good chance I might end up at the satellite area.

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