SESGDL
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Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:01 pm

In Delta's 2002 Annual Report, they mention that the MD-11 will be put into temporary storage by January 1, 2004. Does this mean that Delta may eventually restore the aircraft to the fleet? I'm just wondering because why would they say "temporary" if the retirement is permanent?

Jeremy
 
deltadude8
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:06 pm

I wished thats what it meant...but i think they will never be back to the delta fleet...that just may mean that they will be in temp storage before they head off to a diff. carrier like World or FedEx or whoever.
 
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:12 pm

Does this mean more 777's in the near future? Or is the market currently small enough that the existing fleet can handle the ex-MD11 routes? Sorry I'm sure its an obvious one but I haven't been keeping up on Delta's plans/orders lately.
 
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:39 pm

As for future DL 777s as of June 30, 2003:

Delta currently has 8 777s in the fleet
Delta currently has orders for 5 more 777s to be added to the fleet in the next 1-2 years.
Delta currently has options for 20 more 777s in the future
Delta currently has 12 rolling options for 777s in the future

I believe that the options all depend on how fast delta is able to rebound completly.

Look for additions in Delta's fleet to come from the 737-800 family and the CRJ family...in the later future look for additions to Delta's fleet in the 767-300/400, and in the 757 area (this depends on how many more song aircraft are taken from delta)

Hope that answers all your questions.
Michael

 
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:04 pm

I know they deferred a number of aircraft orders. Have they started accepting new aircraft again?
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Paddy
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:04 pm

That answers the orders question but how does the MD-11's retirement factor into this? For instance, will the LAX-NRT be replaced with a 777 next year? I would assume so, but where do they pull the plane from? Are some of those 5 777's going to be delivered in January?
 
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:08 pm

Delta has only eight 777s? I could have sworn that they had more.
 
boeing764
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:09 pm

I think the only Delta flight into Narita is 55/56 from Atlanta, and it@s an MD11.
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DALinATL
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:17 pm

Yes DL currently has only 8 777s. Routes for January are
DL38/39 ATL-AMS
DL22/29 ATL-CDG
DL20/15 ATL-FRA
DL12/11 ATL-LGW
DL55/56 ATL-NRT
ATL-MCO one flight a day
ATL-LAX one flight a day
and Paddy is correct, sadly DL's only pacific route is DL55/56 ATL-NRT.
 
scottysair
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:30 pm

Incorrect as for ATL-AMS flight and it wil begin on B777 by Oct 1, 2003 and not as for Jan 1, 2004 either. I just got receive with their news on the www.justplanes.com myself. Well, talk ya later!  Smile
 
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:58 pm

DL is not accepting delivery of any mainline aircraft at this time. The only planes that will be delivered to DL in 2004 are 23 CRJ700's for use by Comair and ASA. Even the delivery of these RJ's may be threatened if DL's financial condition continues to deteriorate.

Until DL is able to get its mainline costs in-line, there will be no mainline planes delivered.
 
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:14 pm

part of Delta's statement that the MD11's are being temporarily parked is because there is no buyer and apparently the leasing company will not take back the leased a/c. They are bound to keep trying to sell them but that will be hard if LX also dumps a bunch of M11's on the market. I would not rule out Delta bringing the M11's back if demand returns and they are not sold. The 777 orders could be converted to something else like the Dreamliner or 737NG's.
 
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement In Annual Report

Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:34 pm

The annual report says the MD-11 storage is temporary because at the time of the report is was thought to be temporary. That was many months ago. Since then Delta has said the MD-11 will be retired. It will not be coming back at all, even if economic conditions improve. It is simply too costly to keep a small fleet of three engine aircraft when the job can be more efficiently handled by 767s and 777s.

And Delta issued a press release a while ago stating the Atlanta-Tokyo flights will start using 777 aircraft.

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