Vimanav
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Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:51 pm

Not too sure there's been a thread on this one, but I found BA's rear facing premium class seats quite unique (one facing forward and the other rearwards). I also heard that BA's Tridents too had a cabin arrangement where some seats were facing backwards in Y/cl. Lesser spinal injuries in case of an accident - this seemed to be the logic (I am not too sure how!). Appreciate comments on such a seating arrangement and which other airlines / aircraft may have had something similar.
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:01 am

On Southwest Airlines 737-300's, the row of seats immediately in front of the emergency exit rows face backwards.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:32 am

The "Sud-Aviation" Caravelle had 5 seats (3 + 2 ) facing rear on the first row.
This type of plane flew from 1955 until 1992 (for the lasts variants ) with many Airlines around the world, including the U.S with United. It was the first medium range jetliner ever built and can be considered as the ancester of the DC9, as it was also the very first rear-mounted engines aircraft.

Air Inter, the French domestic Airline (now merged in AF ) was the last big European Airline to operate the last 12 "Caravelle Super XII" until 1992.

People used to love these facing back seats ( on the right side of the plane, you were 3 facing 3, like in a train...very friendly ), some others HATED them and made big drama to seat there, when the plane was full...


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The three rear facing seats were on the left of the picture, the two others were on the right of the picture, and were separated from the two facing seats by the main entrance door.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:39 am

Years ago National(original) had a configuration on their 727-200 series that had two rear facing seats by the rear right side emergency door. Sometimes a family liked to sit there, but most often people did not care for those seats. Because of this, National if deference to their pax, turned those seats around to front facing seats. Of course then, because of the door exit, those seats were fixed in the upright position, so then the people b****ed about that. Just can't make some people happy.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:47 am

USAir/ Allegheny had rear seats on the front row of the BAC 1-11's.
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 3:30 am

The upper deck of the C-5A holds a passenger compartment with 70-something seats and in the ones I've been in, all or nearly all of them face backwards. The reason given was the same as yours: fewer injuries in the event of a crash.
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 3:34 am

Dan-Air 1-11s that were used solely on charter flights had a row of rear facing seats by the overwing emergency exits.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:14 am

Yes I think I saw a British World BAC1-11 that also had rear facing seats at the over wing exit area.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:18 am

FLYSSC did you fly for Air Inter??? If so, nice to see an ex-colleague on Airliners.net!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:24 am

PS The BA Citiexpress DHC8-300s that operate LGW-NQY-PLH also have 2 rear facing seats on the right hand side at row 1.

Also the Royal Air Force passenger transports up to & including the VC10 were all fitted with rear facing seats.
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:37 am

Edina, again you just helped me to remember when I flew NCL-LGW-NCL a few years ago when CityFlyer used ATR42's. Seats 1C and 1D where rear facing too.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:17 am

Hi,

EuroLOT in their ATRs-42 have two seats facing backwards.
See

http://www.eurolot.com.pl/eng/start.htm

under fleet

Not the best seat map drawing  Sad

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:03 am

Some years ago, the NTSB and FAA studed the possibility of requiring all commercial airlines to install ALL rear-facing on their fleets. The reasoning, of course, being that passenger were less likely to suffer impact injuries in survivable accidents if they were facing aft and g forces carried them forward.

However, subsequent mock-ups and test evacs, showed passenger confusion when attempting to locate exits, and in fact revealed a tendency to attempt to evacuate in the direction in which they were facing, even if there were no exits at the rear of the aircraft. It was because of these evac studies that the drive for all-rear facing passenger seats was dropped.

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:08 am

That would feel pretty weird on takeoff. You'd be accelerating backwards and at takeoff you'd be leaning forwards towards the floor. I'm glad they didn't make all planes have it.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:53 am

They were looking at making the WHOLE cabin rear-facing? I don't think that would go over too well with passengers...I, for one, have trouble riding in a car backwards. I'm with Positive Rate- I'm glad they didn't do it. A friend of mine flew in WN's backwards facing seats & said the takeoff was "wild". I wouldn't want to try it.

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 1:52 pm

yes, souithwest still has the "lounge" with rearward facing seats, although they are being phased out. i learned this from a southwest employee on this site (i think WNfan but do not recall and am too lazy to look). i quite enjoy the seats, but i believe i am among the minority in that matter. i do recall hearing that airlines did a study and found passengers were more prone to motion sickness in the rearward facing seats.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 3:31 pm

The seats on a Navy C-2 Greyhound COD aircraft face backwards. So when you get catapulted off the flight deck, the restraint harnesses hold you in the seat as you get pressed into the harness.

The going joke played on newbies is "Close your eyes during the shot, otherwise your eyeballs will pop out..."

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:03 pm

I recall being on USAir (737?) some years ago when they had bulkhead row backwards with a table that had fold-up leaves on it...was spozed to be great for business travelers who wanted to have a meeting on a conference table...but I had to see a baby get changed on it BEFORE they served the snack! YUK! It also made it harder to ignore people who are facing you...twice as bad as just next to you! I was VERY happy to see it vanish!!
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:07 pm

Nearly all USAF aircraft have rear facing seats for regular pax , (there are excptions of course)
I am not talking about side net cargo seats BTW. (and yes Suspen the upper deck of the C-5 has around 75 seats as noted above facing backward)

In the E-3 (707-320) we have rear facing seats in the back (airline style-ish) 8 seats in galley, and 4 we can put in the J compartment (or take out) and 4 in the overwing. All face backwards. The same reasons as noted above are given for this= Safer in an accident.


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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:00 pm

Dear Edina... I'm flying for Air France, bust like many of us, I was a great "user" of Air Inter...and I am so sad this Airline disappeared. AF had to learn a lot from AirInter (IT)...In fact, I am very amused now when I see how Low-cost became kind of "fashionnable"... Air Inter was finally the very first low-cost in Europe, and kind of invented the concept in the 70's (remember the Blue/White/Red flights.?)...but at that time, everybody was complaining when you had to pay for a drink...
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:52 pm

That would feel pretty weird on takeoff. You'd be accelerating backwards and at takeoff you'd be leaning forwards towards the floor

This is exactly what I experienced sitting on the window seat in the upper deck of BA/B744. Upon rotation I could actually feel myself practically hanging on by the seat belt.

I enjoyed it for its uniqueness, but personally I'd prefer facing forwards.

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:52 pm

Didn't the Vickers VC-10 have ALL seats facing backwards when it entered service?

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:08 pm

BWIA/Tobago Express Dash 8 Q300s have 2 rear-facing seats at the front (row 1). I once flew on one of those seats from POS to TAB - just 15 minutes long but a very unusual experience, especially on take-off.

Personally I prefer forward-facing seats even on trains and buses but the rear-facing plane seat was a unique experience.

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:24 pm

Have flown on Dan Air 1-11s with rearward facing seats and also Branniff Boeing 727s.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:01 pm

FLYSSC> So but how low cost was Air Inter actually? As teenager on my first trip to Paris in 1989 I browsed their pricing list as I wanted to fly Caravelle and Mercure but typical pricings starting around 800 FF (120 euro) one way was a little expensive for me then. Little did I know I never had a chance again to fly these types. Actually a standard pricing system for domestic flights doesn't seem too unusual for me.
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:05 pm

Well, it was the same rules as the Low-cost today : the earliest you book, the cheapest you pay. Don't even think travelling during business schedule ( 06:45/9:00 AM and 16:45/19:00PM ) or be less than 26 years old / More than 60. travel in group (they were considering a "group" from 2 PAX) or as a "couple" (no matter if you were married or not ) Etc...Etc... At these conditions, you could find the cheapest fares, like a Paris/Toulouse or Paris/Marseille for 200FF ( 30Eur. ). They invented in 1976 the "tri-color calender" : all the flights had a "color" and were RED, White, Blue. On the RED ones : NO discount. Only full (expensive) fares : morning flights, early evening flights. (15% of the flights were "red") White and Blue flights were for PAX with discounts, the best and most restrictive discounts were on the Blue flights ( 60%).

Try to book at the last minute on Easy-Jet, or Ryan Air... , whetever destination, You will not believe how much they will charge you !!!



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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:10 pm

MEA-707...800ff was generally a full fare one way unrestricted fare.....off peak, on a "blue" or "white" flight the fare would be much lower (800ff was still much cheaper than equivalent fares in the UK or Germany at the time).
Air Inter pioneered many LCC practises now common today.....
- free seating on all domestic flights with those earliest to check in getting to board earliest
- quick turnarounds.....35mins for a full 314 seater A300
- minimum cabin crew 7 on an A300 (314 pax), 4 on a DAM (156 pax), 4 on an A320 (172pax) & 3 on a CRV 12 (131pax)
- pay beverage service on board

They must have been doing something right because at their peak they were operating 22 A300s, 33 A320s, 11 Mercures & 6-7 CRV 12s.
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:13 pm

FLYSSC.....yes I was with IT as cabin crew from 88-93 on the A300.
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:22 pm

Edina, Air Inter was operating the whole fleet of 12 SE-210/Caravelle XII produced by, then, Sud-Aviation.

They bought 7 new a/c, then the last remaining 5 from "Sterling".
131 seats, and 5 seats facing backward on the first row...


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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:29 pm

Allegheny's DC-9-31 VistaJets had the first row facing backwards. United's DC-8-10,20,50's had a rear lounge in coach across from the galley that had two seats facing forward, and three facing backwards with a table in between.

United's DC-6B's had an 8 seat lounge in the very forward part of the cabin, where four sets faced backward and forward, 2 and 2 with a table in between.

The last aircraft I flew on with rear facing seats was an OK TU-134A that had a similar arrangement with a row facing aft and a table in between the next row facing forward.
 
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:46 pm

US Airways' Dash 8-300s have the two seats in Row 1 facing backwards. Noticed this while researching CLT-RDU flights. I wouldn't want to be in those seats, even though I would really like to fly on a DH3. Don't see any of those up in New England.

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Tue Aug 19, 2003 5:39 am

"The last aircraft I flew on with rear facing seats was an OK TU-134A that had a similar arrangement with a row facing aft and a table in between the next row facing forward." - this kind of layout was quite typical for Tu134A/B. Saw it many times on SU aircraft (these first two rows were First class on RIX-ARN route since 1989). The only time I was flying in rear facing seat myself was OK Tu134, December 1992... It was not my assigned seat but it was empty so I tried it for like 10 minutes. Interesting, but I prefer "regular" arrangement...

But this is what was my very first flying experience at all - neither "normal" nor rear facing (not an actual aircraft picture):


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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:52 am

TU-114 had, in addition to the more or less usual cabins, several compartments for 6 (if I am not mistaken) persons, facing each other, with a table between the two blocks of three seats. There was a thread not so long ago with links to the pictures of this plane.

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:17 am

I've flown backwards twice. Once on a Dan Air Bac 1-11 on the e/exit row and once on a BA 777 in Club World.

The Dan Air flight would have been ok for families to be able to sit opposite each other, but not so nice when you are sat facing 3 complete strangers for the whole flight.

The flight in Club World was not that nice, I was sitting on the very last row of Club facing backwards, so for taxi/takeoff/landing I was basically sitting there with the whole of the World Traveller Plus cabin staring at me which wasn't very nice. I was still asleep when they announced that we had to put our seatbacks up for landing and when I woke up, they had already opened the curtains and the cabin divider, so I had about 20 or so people watching me as I woke up and raised my bed back into a chair which made me feel pretty uncomfortable. As I was sitting in the middle section too, I couldn't even look out of the window so I just had to gaze around to avoid staring at the people facing me.

The takeoff was pretty good though, it was like you were just hanging in the seat held in only by the belt. When you face forwards, you just natrually rest oin the back of the seat, but when facing the rear, the acceleration is obviously pushing you away from the seat back, so you have to conciously force yourself back into the seat to keep your back on the backrest.

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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Wed Aug 20, 2003 2:09 pm

BEA Super Trident ORY/LHR 1st row port side aft facing. First and only time flying backwards as a passenger. However, I'm sure many crew members (at one time, I flew) have experienced cabin jumpseats facing aft. At least jumpseats have shoulder belts as well as lap belts.
 
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Southwest Does It.

Wed Aug 20, 2003 2:38 pm

or at least they did. used to have 2 or 3 rows of backward facing seats. classic high density seating.l
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RE: Passenger Seats Facing Backwards

Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:03 pm

I've always managed to avoid the backward-facing Club World seats on BA - I had to sit in one once for takeoff, and it feels strange. I normally don't suffer from airsickness, but the sensation was nauseating for some reason. Right after takeoff, I was able to switch to the only empty forward-facing seat (one passenger had a problem with her passport and missed the flight.)

I was on a DHC-7 (Golden Gate) that had the first row facing backward - looked pretty uncomfortable.

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