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Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:31 am

Sorry if this subject has been treated already....but any feed back of the first ever "baby" Airbus A318 in service with FRONTIER  Love since the end of july ?



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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:22 am

Don't know a thing about it, but it is one neat looking bird! Smokin cool
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:25 am

Not sure what you want to know, but the CEO of Frontier was very happy and said the introduction of the type into the fleet was "seamless".

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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:44 am

I can't believe I am saying this about an Airbus, but it looks pretty sharp. The Animal tails look even better on the A318.

I thought that there was one already in service in the USA.
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:55 am

Frontier has another A318 in service, the first one: N801FR.


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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:48 am

Here are some in-service shots:


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It looks great!  Smile
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:33 am

I think one of them runs the DEN-SEA route. am i correct?
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:00 am

A friend of mine was just "forced" to fly on board one of these (Frontier AB anyway). He said "Never Again!". It was not about a/c, but about LCC's in general - or at least about Frontier. Not very often mentioned fact is the pax profile; low-income families with screaming kids, lots of carry-ons etc. He says that it was his first and last (business) trip on any LCC.
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:44 am

Gosh, perhaps your friend just had an unfortunate flight.

Take a look at the cabin interior photo above - it was taken on a revenue flight. I don't see any kids (screaming or otherwise) and the passengers all look respectable and well behaved.

I fly Frontier frequently and Jet Blue, and I don't think I count as "low income", nor any of my friends who also fly these airlines.

So your "pax profile" doesn't match any experience I've had.

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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:40 pm

Not very often mentioned fact is the pax profile; low-income families with screaming kids, lots of carry-ons etc.

That's unfair and a bit harsh--quite irresponsible for you to say.

"Low-income families" don't fly.

They "go Greyhound" or by car, or most often, not at all.

I've seen my share of the cultural elite with bawling babies...that's universal.

I think you're overgeneralizing a bit. Your friend probably flew on a flight more often frequented by families. Some trips (i.e. early morning runs) are primarily business travelers on ANY airline.

My family has flown WN several times out west because they were the cheapest price. We've driven on vacation many times because we just could not justify the cost of flying. And yet (without wanting to sound like I'm gloating because I'm certainly not) we are by no means "poor". Sometimes it's just hard to justify spending $300 each on a plane ticket to a destination that takes us eight hours to reach by car.
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 3:19 pm

FFLyer : so you telling me those things dont happen in the majors? WOW there some ignorant people out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:53 pm

Guys, thanks for posting my pictures.

FFlyer, harsh statements man. Uncalled for as well. That is very unfair and unfortunate to say statements like that. I fly Frontier at least 3 times a week. I have never in my life encountered anything you just said nor is it anywhere near being like that. About 95% of the flight I was on was Business pax, and 1 child on the aircraft.

I think you need to re-evaluate your "freind" and "yourself" for making accusations of Low Income families traveling on and LCC. So what if some families can't afford United flights or any of the big majors. What does that make of your freind or yourself? Some high income guys thinking they are better than the average person travelling? Im sorry guys but your outlook on an airline and its pax are way off. You need to re-evaluate what you say about people and think! I dare you and I mean dare you to go up to your so called "low income family" at the airport that is flying and LCC and tell them what you or your friends think of them. I am sure your not going to get a good reply.

For the sake of you and your friends, keep the comments to yourself. Don't make yourself look any worse, please. I have respect for all people Race, Color, Religion, Income Levels. Man, we are all equal and different in our own ways, just learn to live and respect that. Along that, don't judge an Airline by what someone says or does. You have never flown on F9 and I highly doubt you will but for the sake of others and comments, please don't! Frontier is a highly respected airline in this industry and is where it is now for its performance, reliability and its "image"!

I am appalled at the comments that were made and have no respect at this point.

Any other views gentlemen?

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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:32 am

Also if you can get the same flight for any money less than another airline, and everything else is the same, why would you pay more? I would rather be financially responsible as a person and also if the company I worked for was paying, why pay out there money needlessly? What is the expression, "More money than sense!".

And in April I flew on BA with a screaming child from LHR to DTW and by no means is BA a LCC! Maybe the mother never got the memo about how she is required only to fly LCC as they cater to her and her family, and the majors do not want or need her money.
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:51 am


I think we have a bigger problem here... instead of Airbus vs. Boeing threads.. I've been noticing a lot of...

Major Airline vs. LCC.

..posts, threads, arguments, etc.

Kinda tired of it all.


Anyway, very nice pics of the 318.  Smile
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:15 am

Let me tell you, as a Frontier CSA, we get a nice mix of families' and business people. Personally, I enjoy seeing a nice varied mix of passengers on our flights. I guess I'm just a people person, but I truly enjoy talking to our passengers no matter if they "appear" to be high or low income. Does it really matter? Some of the nicest people I've met aren't fortunate enough to be flying United First Class.

It's not really fair to presume every person flying on an LCC is "low income". Just like you can't automatically assume everyone flying a major airline is "upper/middle class". Honestly, I don't care WHO buys a ticket on our flight. We treat everyone the same regardless. Just because "Bob" makes $70,000/year and "Joe" makes $20,000 doesn't mean Bob is a better person or someone whom we would not want to see fly our airline.

I've always felt that you can't go through life judging people based on the way they look. That way, you can get to learn more about everyone and really have a better outlook on life in general.

But that's just me.


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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:26 am

Frontier looks fantastic on A318 and viceversa! I wish them all the best luck in this new venture. I wish I could fly them, I just love the animal-themed tails! As for the dismissive (besides wrong and unnecessary) comment made at some point above, I think everything has been said.
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:03 am

The reason that we're seeing more legacy vs. LCC arguments here is simple: the LCCs are kicking some major butt in the industry right now, and the legacy carriers have no idea what to do about it. Rather than eat some crow, people get defensive. It's the same thing all the time.

I could have sworn I saw a F9 318 on approach to PDX yesterday (Sat 16 Aug), about 1:30pm. I was driving along Marine Drive and caught a glimpse, but couldn't see for sure. Anyone know if that's what I saw?
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:18 am

Raise the fares and the Greyhound passengers will dissappear!
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:08 am

Flashmeister

There is one A318 already in service with Frontier.
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:40 am

Luv2fly:

Sorry, but there are two A318's in service with Frontier: N801FR (grizzly bear tail) and N802FR (deer tail).

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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:52 am

Mariner

I knew there was at least one in service. Was being conservative in my answer.
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:25 am

Luv2fly:

I guessed that, but I just wanted to be sure.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:53 am

I never thought that the A318 could become a good looking aircraft but the people who made the design for Frontier did an awesome job. I find it very refreshing and perfect for the babybus.
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:44 am

That plane is WAY out of proportion!
It looks terrible.
I'm sure it delivers what it promises..but it looks very strange.
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 8:42 am

are the PTVs small or is it just me?

Still haven't had a chance to fly F9, though I want too. Maybe if they start a PDX-OAK run eh?

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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:09 am

I agree with you greg it just looks weird!
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:26 pm

I know that the 318 is already in service with F9... just wanted to ask any F9'ers or others who know whether or not it's come to PDX yet...
 
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RE: Frontier "Baby" Airbus

Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:43 pm

Flashmeister:

I checked the time table on the Frontier website (effective October 1st) and it doesn't show the A318 on any flights to Portland.

That doesn't mean they haven't substituted it for the A319 on some flights, but I don't know that.

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