Federico
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Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 2:41 am

According to JustPlanes.com AR just added yet another 737-200 (ex-British G-BKYO). I say get rid of them already ...just my opinion.

Also it intends(?) to stop service to Paris. Huh?? Why?

Any inside info would be great...

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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 2:53 am

I have no idea about the 737-200. As for the Paris service, I went to Paris last summer & all I heard was:
Che, pibe!! (  or  ?) Why would they stop service? I just think it is another shoe that is falling on a company that is running on borrowed time. There is an article on today's LaNacionLine about their financial situation, they owe now close to a BILLION dollars?!! How will they get rid of that? They need an image overhaul, if not, I don't know what will happen. If you'r curious, I'm American, but lived in Argentina (Mendoza) for over 4 years. There in lies my interest in this topic. Be lucky.
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas/Derico

Thu Dec 23, 1999 3:15 am

Exactly...last couple of times I went to Paris it was full both with AR and AF...so I don't get it...if they are so much in debt...I can understand cut backs but on the AR site I read that they are increasing frequency to Australia from 2 weekly to 3...it's strange about Paris.

Mendoza huh?...Funny...I moved from Pembroke Pines to Seattle in April...??

If you come across any AR related stuff email me...

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RE: I Didn't Know Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 3:28 am

...and American are splitting....American said later...
not good at all. After 50 years we might have to say bye bye AR...Iberia in control again...??? Iberia is having $$ problems too.  
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 3:30 am

That is freaky. Maybe we crossed somewhere sometime.
(Pembroke Lakes Mall?) I have been living here since 1995. I live in the Silver Lakes area, west of I-75, hopefully you know what I'm talking about. Anyways, I'll pass any info I read about any ARG airline when I come across it.
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RE: I Didn't Know Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 3:35 am

That's right. Like I've said before to others here, they need a big change, & quickly. I don't believe is too late, but the problem is they have NO IDENTITY, NO PURPOSE, you know what I mean? I think, even as an American, that Argentina deserves a great flagship airline like Lufthansa, or Cathay. If not that, at least respectability like Varig or Lan Chile. Lan Chile is well off, Varig does have big problems, but their quality of service is high.
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 3:54 am

I know what you're talking about my brother lives right around there as well right of Pine Blvd.

As far as AR goes...Lufthansa sounds good (maybe with Varig?)...Cathay doubt that'd ever happen...but LanChile? Being the Argentino that I am I can tell you that a lot of people would have a problem with that (Argentinas owned by Chile...wow some people would be pissed) but it could work... it should be interesting...we'll see what happens.

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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 4:03 am

I didn't mean these airlines should own AR, I said AR should look like them, specially the flagship european airlines. Again, how come Chile can have a healthy carrier & ARG not? But I agree 110% about Lan Chile ownership. Afterall, I know the rivalry between the two countries, I did live in Mendoza. That should tell you everything.
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 7:56 am

Hi Fe/derico

Aerolineas is quite surrealist in terms of its route plan, competitors must be very happy. A route that has recently been dropped is La Paz, the only direct service that existed for years as LAB flies daily but connecting at Santa Cruz. The Paris service has been reduced from four to three, Air France flies B777 six times a week and in 2000 daily. This week Aerolineas is promoting on radios here in Argentina its new six times a week nonstop service to Rome. For the high season the Sydney route is increased to three. Another route listed on La Nacion for the high season is Orlando and Porlamar (Margarita).

The B737´s are being introduced to replace the Austral DC9 (three of them already retired and sitting at Aeroparque) and the older B737´s.
 
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 8:02 am

Do you know exactly why the Paris service is down to three, though? Competition from Air France? Not enough Demand? No bugdet? Paris is a MAJOR world destination, & I know Argentines LOVE Paris, & anything French in general. That's why I'm shocked. Also, since you said you are in Argentina, where are people going this year for vacation? Mar del Plata, Cordoba, or maybe BRAZIL? (Because it's cheap maybe.)
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RE: Aerolineas Argentinas

Thu Dec 23, 1999 6:51 pm

Paris: I don´t know exactly why, maybe they don´t have the demand or is a matter of internal costs. Air France flights are full, they want now the daily service but due to the bilateral accord the 7th frequency is due sometime in 2000. Another key destination underserved is London, BA flies a daily B747-400 and also Los Angeles which was dropped in 1997. United applied to start daily B777 LAX-Ezeiza nonstop service for next september.

As with Paris the same happens with Santiago de Chile, Aerolineas reduced its frequency from four daily to three, meanwhile Lan Chile has eight or nine daily flights which is like a shuttle.

This summer the main destination will be Brazil as it is convenient now. There are many charters to several cities like Salvador, Florianopolis, Rio, Porto Seguro (in Bahia), etc. Other popular destinations in the caribbean Cuba , Cancun and Punta Cana. More exotic but increasingly popular are South Africa and Australia. And as always, Cordoba, Mar del Plata and Punta del Este in Uruguay.

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