ScarletHarlot
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Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:27 pm

I'm listening to my scanner tonight and I just heard a female pilot on Alaska Airlines. I've heard her several times before, usually in the evenings. A female voice on the scanner catches my attention immediately.

A female pilot recently retired from my client. She's the first one I've seen come through.

I met a really neat girl in Atlanta. I was in the lounge of a hotel and she was visiting her mom who worked there. I overheard her talking to her mom about her pilot's courses and her log book so of course I had to go over and talk to her. We ended up chatting for like an hour and I thoroughly enjoyed it. She said to me that she's never met another girl who likes aviation as much as she does. She had been a flight attendant and was encouraged to become a pilot by the pilots on her flights!

Do any of you have interesting stories about female pilots? Why aren't there more women pilots? Do women face discrimination in the cockpit?

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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:37 pm

Do any of you have interesting stories about female pilots? Why aren't there more women pilots? Do women face discrimination in the cockpit?

Well, as long as women don't fly like they drive, there should be no problem...ok, bad joke.  Big grin

Seriously, there are some idiot pax who would have hangups about a woman in the cockpit. This doesn't mean that companies necessarily discriminate against women...though some stereotypes probably exist among the male pilot circles.

Another factor probably is social. Women aren't seen as, and typically don't see themselves as pilots. Before someone flames me, it has something to do with the reason boys play with trucks and girls play with Barbies. It's society.

I personally would love to see more female pilots!

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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:46 pm

I think female pilots are very sexy.
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:47 pm

I agree with your statement about how women don't usually see themselves as pilots. The girl in Atlanta told me that when she saw kids with their parents when she was a FA, the parents would say to their sons "there's the pilot, you can be a pilot too!" but they wouldn't say that to their daughters. They'd usually say the girls could be FAs.

As a girl in a male-dominated field, I can relate to that one.
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:59 pm

I think female pilots are very sexy.

Dude, you couldn't get leid in a hawaiian flower shop with lines like that...
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:02 pm

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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:09 pm

I don't care if a man or a woman is in the cockpit. As long as they get me their safely. I was on one flight, a United Air Lines 737 ORD to ABE where a woman was a co-pilot. I don't think I have ever been on a flight with a woman as a captain.
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:09 pm

My flight instructor is a female, who got into aviation because of her brothers. She is one of the top 3 pilots I have flown with as well.
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:33 pm

I've actually had an elderly woman refuse to board the aircraft because there was an all woman flight crew. This really suprized me. I told her that she was in good hands with this crew as i knew both pilots and their skills were top notch. Still she refused and said she'd wait until there were only me upfront.

I think most of this stems from the golden age of flying right after WWII when all the Army/Navy aviators came back and started to fly commercially. For quite some time the men pilots were seen as near godly. Everybody would take notice of a pilot. The guys were seen as tough and powerful and they wouldn't allow anything to happen as they had the strength to correct it.

At C8 we actually have a number of female captains and first officers. I really enjoy the flight with them. Some are better then their male counter parts. I am currently attending WMU flight school and we have 3 possibly 4 females in the program. I wish there were more as it is a fun profession with free travel and such. I see times changing slowly but surely for the better.
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 4:04 pm

I've flown with female pilots before- both flight instructors and airline pilots. It doesn't bother me at all. The airlines here in Australia have a fairly large amount of female pilots- Ansett used to have a fair few, including a couple of female 737 captains. QANTAS has a fair amount, and a lot of the regionals like Eastern, O'Connors, REX etc. have female pilots. Sometimes when i listen to my scanner it turns out that there is a female air traffic controller and a female pilot both talking to each other, the female ATC's tend to be nicer when they talk to pilots of the same gender.
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 4:24 pm

Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) have four female pilots, all on jets, one is on a 747 and will become captain soon, Pakistan govt. also funded the flying lessons of a village girl who wnated tobecome a pilot, the men frm her village did'nt want her to get educated and would even set dogs after her when she would be going to school, seeing her determination the govt. helped her after she graduated from high school. The Yemeni flag carrier Yemenia also recently hired their first female pilot, Both are Muslim countries.

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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 6:15 pm

Horizon Air had one of the first (maybe the first?) all female crews in the mid 90's (96 or 97?) on a Dash8. Captain, F/O, and F/A.
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 6:34 pm

Yakfixer, it is not the race, but I think Flying Tigers or Fedex did it in the early 80s.

There are several reasons for seing not too many woman in the cockpit. However, there are more and more every day. And up to the Condorde.

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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:13 pm

I have seen a F/O on Cathay Pacific 747-400 this June
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:14 pm

It seems like there are more transgender (females that were born as males) pilots within the USA than female pilots.
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:28 pm

LOL Thanks for that Pate!

I think we're talking about naturally female flight crews.

My flight instructor is a female, and she is one of the best that their is. It is funny though, because on one of my first lessons I forgot everything she told me to do and I looked over at her nervously and asked for help.

Horrified, I watched as she was filing her nails, while she guided me through the next steps. I thought "what the hell are you doing, pay attention!"

Its funny now, but I didn't think so at the time.


As for flying commercially with female flight crews, I've never done it. I just never had the chance. I'd love to speak with a female commercial pilot. I don't know why, but I think it'd just be cool.


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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:53 pm

ScarletHarlot,

One of the finest pilots I know is female. She had wanted to be an airline pilot since she was 5 years old, and attended an aeronautical college where she received two degrees, along with her A & P certificates. She continued to work on her pilot certificates and ratings while in college. Also, while in college, she applied for and received an internship with the NTSB which eventually led to a full time position as an investigator.

Not only is she an excellent pilot, but as this brief background summary shows, she is totally committed to aviation. On top of it all, she is one of the finest people I have ever met and is truly the best friend I have ever had. Even married her.. Big thumbs up

In my 25 year airline career, I have known and flown with many female pilots (BTW, NONE of them were "transgender" regardless of what Industrial Pete would have you believe), and all were fine pilots who understood and accepted being female in a male dominated world.

As far as discrimination in the cockpit, you always run across some A-hole who thinks that women don't belong, or that they got shortcuts by being hired with less qualifications, etc. Like anything else, you just ignore the bitter types, and do your job.
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:02 pm

BTW, NONE of them were "transgender" regardless of what Industrial Pete would have you believe...

Sorry, M717, I know for a fact that they do exist...
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:04 pm

For the first time, an all-female crew flew a KC-135 Stratotanker air refueling mission over Afghanistan. The mission was Jan. 31. Pictured clockwise from lower left are 1st Lt. Alison, Capts. Heather and Waynetta, and Senior Airman Lyndi, all from the 376th Expeditionary Air Refueling Squadron. Their last names were witheld for security.

Picture @

http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2003/march/i_bitn.html

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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:27 pm

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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:38 pm

Pete,

I never said they didn't exist. I said I have known and flown with many female pilots and NONE of them were. That kind of kills your theory that "there are MORE "transgender' pilots in the USA than female pilots".

Your claim about MORE "transgender" pilots than female is BS, and I called you on it. Simple as that. Just because you "know they exist" doesn't change the fact that your claim is total BS. Having been in this industry for longer than you have been alive gives me a fairly accurate perspective on female pilots.
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:56 pm

Frontier had the first woman placed as a captain with a major airline. Back in 1983, I worked a trip where both the captain and first officer were female, and the 3 flight attendants were male.
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RE: Female Pilots

Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:59 pm

All women crew flights are becoming routine in India. Indian Airlines has more than 30 women pilots, six of them commanders and they proudly announce "You are being served by an all women crew"

I believe Jet Airways also has few women pilots. One of them was in news for landing the 737 on a taxi track in Goa on a flight from Bombay in Sept 2002. Passengers did not even realize that they landed on taxi track instead of the runway  Smile . The reason given was pilot was "dazzled" by the sun light and missed the runway. Could have happenned to any pilot I guess.

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RE: Female Pilots

Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:56 am

Last week at Puerto Plata our BHX flight landed - MYT085 B763 and when the crew came off, one of the pilots whas a lady, one of the first I have actually seen. Howver when I used to fly GO to STN we had a lady pilot too - sounds odd when theyy make an annoucement as you always expect the femal voice to be an FA.
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Wed Aug 20, 2003 2:15 am

UA had female pilot since the 70's. People Express was the first airline to have a female 747 captain in the early 80's. I remember a UA female first officer on 747 200 going from LAX to HNL. She was very friendly she wave to me from the cockpit. I hope she still working.
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Wed Aug 20, 2003 2:33 am

The aircraft doesn't care if the person behind the controls are of X or Y chromozones.
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:20 am

This thread comes up every few months and apart from being pretty tired by now, the only positive thing that can be said is that every time it comes up, more and more women qualify as pilots. It's no longer the issue it was 20 or 30 years ago (nor should it be); becoming a pilot is a great achievement for anyone.

I did, however, find the story about the PIA pilot who was attacked by her own villagers when she was going to school, in her youth, heartwarming (not, of course, the fact she was attacked!!). It just shows us that where there's a passion, an enthusiasm and a sense of purpose, virtually anything can be achieved.

I've flown with only a handful of female pilots over the years - a few with BA and Aer Lingus, one with Qantas - but it hardly raises an eyelid among pax; they know their airline has high standards and they know their pilots, regardless of gender, are trained to that standard.

As for Pete/M717's claims, there is a very small number of transgender pilots in the US; four, I believe (including one 757/767 captain) are with AA and one each with Delta, NWA and US Airways. That in itself is an achievement for them, as well as a step forward for airlines. I'm sure there are quite a number of TG flight attendants and TGs in other aviation disciplines. Why should aviation be closed to them, just because they've been through a particularly painful and difficult process. Good luck to them!
 
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RE: Female Pilots

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:56 am

I just got back from San Diego last night, the first Officer on my CO 737-800 flight to Newark was a Woman.

I've flown on flights with Female pilots before but this flight stood out, she stood out because she was actually quite attractive.

I hate to generalize but most female commercial pilots I have seen before have been kind of butch, however this woman was very attractive with long blonde curly hair etc.

Perhaps one of the CO pilots on these forums (777Gk or CALpilot) knows who Im talking about, my girlfriend was impressed and said "good, there should be more".

To that I agree Smile.
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