Flyer732
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AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:20 am

http://www.airtran.com/aboutus/news/sanfrancisco.jsp


woo hoo!


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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:26 am

This is big news. Well done, AirTran, and keep it up.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:26 am

I knew it was a question about when, not if, but I am definitley taken by surprise. Didn't think when would be so soon. Lowfare carriers in the past two years have taken a strong position in the trans-con market. In fact, the only significantly large trans-con market that the cartel carriers still have a monopoly on is Miami-San Francisco, and jetBlue is likely to change that soon.
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:28 am

OK, and its AirTran, that only serves two western cities. And is one of few airlines constantly adding routes.


So, No its not a joke.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:28 am

Don't airlines add and drop cities regularly?

No
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:28 am

Do you think the next west coast city after san Francisco will be San Diego?
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:29 am

I'd bet PHX or SEA are next...although Ryan Intl people have mentioned SMF, SAN, PHX, SEA, SLC.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:32 am

But what influence do the Ryan Int'l people have, given the poor service that they've provided so far and FL's soon taking delivery of 737's? Wouldn't it be better business sense to add cities based on operating their own a/c, rather than the current Ryan scenario?

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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:34 am

The only other city that Ryan can do is PHX. That was the part of the agreement with pilots and management. I am surprised about it though. I will probably get hosed for this but I think its partly because of Jetblue going to OAK. I think its good. Keeps Airtran management on there toes.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:36 am

Ya know, just last night I was wondering why they added LAS before SFO?

I have always thought of SFO as a bigger destination than LAS, not that LAS is small or anything. San Fransico is just awesome for tourists and a big business destination with international connections.

HHHmmmmm, when will they add STL?
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:41 am

I have to agree about SFO being added as a response to JetBlue's upcoming OAK-ATL daily, much as starting ATL-LAX was a result of JetBlue entering Atlanta. SFO was probably going to be added anyway, but JetBlue just lit a fire under their butts. But the question is does Ryan Int'l have an additional A320 that they can dedicate to this route, or will they lease them from other airlines (like they do during the winter charter season). On a side note, the all white A320 is being used yet again. I saw it last night taxiing over from the Mercury Air Center over to C-20 (I had a shop on B closing for remodel last night, and saw it as we were loading up to leave). I saw this morning that one of the A320s in AirTran colors was sitting over @ Mercury Air Center where the spare bird usually is parked.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:47 am

I think they may get 2 more A320s dedicated for Airtran.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:48 am

The only other city that Ryan can do is PHX. That was the part of the agreement with pilots and management. I am surprised about it though. I will probably get hosed for this but I think its partly because of Jetblue going to OAK. I think its good. Keeps Airtran management on there toes.

That, and AirTran seems to like flying right into the main airports. They serve LGA, BOS, LAX, and DFW. There's no doubt a substantial market for people who want to fly right into SFO, without having to cross the Bay or haul down to SJC. They'll probably be willing to pay AirTran's 10-percent-CASM-difference over Southwest for doing it. JetBlue and Southwest will probably hardly notice any difference, because of the density of the entire Bay Area market.

This move is consistent with AirTran's product--a more business-oriented product: business class, business-center airports in major metro areas. God speed to them. Still waiting for that BWI-DFW "Wright Amendment Beater" route though!

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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:49 am

There are four other posts about cities being dropped in the last week....so it would appear it does occur regularly...despite what some of you have said.

Also, if they fly to LAX and LAS already...why is SFO 'big' news?

Anyway..good luck to them. The initial post read like it was a joke. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:55 am

I doubt this is in response to jetBlue. I've been hearing SFO, along with LAS and LAX since January.

I knew we were close to a SFO annoucement more than a week before jetBlue did their OAK annoucement.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:00 am

This is such good news!! It is really nice to hear about additional services out here to SFO. We sure have quieted down a lot over the past couple of years, with the demise of an airline(National), the reduction of services from some airlines and other airlines ending service to SFO completely(i.e. Alitalia, Southwest). Looks like things are improving for SFO and AirTran sounds like an excellent start! This is getting my day off to a great start.



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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:03 am

JetBlue and Southwest will probably hardly notice any difference, because of the density of the entire Bay Area market.

Just to avoid confusion...yes, I know Southwest does not fly to ATL from the Bay Area or anyplace else. AirTran's ATL-SFO route, though, will hook pretty much all of AirTran's East Coast markets into SFO. So they'll be competing against Southwest to the Bay Area through ATL connections to many East Coast WN markets. EG RDU, ORF, BUF, and other places that have WN connections to OAK and SJC through BWI or PHX.

After AirTran gets 73G's up and running, look for BWI-SFO and possibly PHL-SFO and BOS-SFO.

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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:29 am

This is such good news for AirTran is continues expansion to SFO. This is very good news for adds more second city in California and already began service to LAX, right? Thanks!  Smile
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:23 am

You had to know it was coming, with LAX and LAS, where would be the next logical step? SFO, duh. In my mind SEA and PHX would be next on the drawing board out west, along with a few new midwest destinations hopefully. I dont know about BOS-SFO, that would be risky with all the competition.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:27 am

I think they may get 2 more A320s dedicated for Airtran.

Why would they paint 2 aircraft when they know that the use for them is just temporary until FL gets their 737s in the near future.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:39 am

When the 737s come, at least initially Ryan will stay. There contract can be renewed every year until 2005. Remember the 737s are not going to be on the property until June 04. Even then I think there suppose get 2 in June and 2 in July and one a month after that. So Ryan will around for a while.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:46 am

I just got the press release VIA email. Great Job AirTran.
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:43 am

How well will Air Tran do in SFO though? ATA is well entrenched in SFO and have been welcomed to the airport with open arms by the local population.

Just a question to ponder
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:43 am

Word floating around is that we'll have an additional three A320s coming in to cover new routes.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:05 am

Hey Ryan,

How much whole things with those Airbus A320 aircraft now? Which one is already are in the services out of ATL-LAS/LAX and now SFO is next. Is that mean for still more orders on B737-700 is coming in by around 2004, correct? I'm glad to hear for AirTran is continues to expansions on the west coast.  Smile

Regards!

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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:16 am

I think eventually we'll see Air Tran hitting the secondary airports in LA and SF areas in the not-to-distant future. If Air Tran does fly into OAK in the future, that would be some hot competition!
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:11 am

I don't know how intense the competition would be unless they start dumping capacity in. At this point they still represent a very small amount of the bay areas transcon capacity.
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:10 am

Doug_or, there is no way we can "dump capacity" in. We're not known for doing that anywhere.

But right now we have 3 aircraft for transcon, and this new flight will bring on at least one more, probably two.

Which still doesn't allow us to just add capacity to the routes.

The only point that we'll be able to do that more and more is when we have quite a few 737s in house, and they're flying the routes that Ryan Intl is currently flying for us.

In a few years, I wouldnt be surprised to see at least 4 ATL-LAX daily and probably BWI and MCO. (Although I'd like a PHL/IAD/BOS so JP can quit holding my flights)

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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:48 am

I know DL is adding 2 more OAK-ATL flights and an additional SFO-ATL flight in response to B6's new OAK-ATL service. Can we expect additional DL flights from SFO in response to FL's new service? I'd like to see if the market can support such a substantial increase in flights.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:14 pm

I'm not saying anyone will or could dump any capacity in. that was sort of my point. Theres plenty of pax in the bay area to go around. While the new services are exciting and good new for area travellers they still don't represent a major percent of the available capacity. At this point I think B6 and FL are competing more agaist the big 6 then each other.
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:18 pm

Greg, you have to understand, some people get very excited when the discount carriers expand. When WN came to CLE, it was headline news, even thought they only have a handful of flights from here. Hell, the Cleveland Yellow Pages even said the Cleveland Hopkins Airport is home to hubs for CO and WN!!

People go overboard for the lowfare airlines, that's all.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:31 pm

Here is a point to think about. SFO has just opened its BART extention. It is now easily available to a much bigger geographic base. If the connections at SFO from BART to the terminals are in place, it should be an easy transition. Haven't taken it, don't know. But the market is there for AirTrans. With SFO and BART, it's potentially a lot more easier access than OAK or SJC. It's not only routes and capacity, but the demographic AND geographic draw of the airport. WAY TO GO SFO!
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:36 pm

I'm not going overboard over expansion, I work for the company, and I have for two years. So these are big steps.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 2:08 pm

Delta is not doing great and by Airtran adding SFO and probably other cities, this is going to bring the price down in markets now where Airtran will enter. Now it is Delta's turn to feel a little pressure in some markets. Hahahaha
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 2:51 pm

Just to give you an idea...

Lowest roundtrip (albeit very restricted) on the 11th of Nov - $238.00
Carriers posting this price - UA,US,DL,AA,CO, NW, HP, F9

Lowest roundtrip on the 12th ov Nov - $198.00
Carriers posting this price - DL, FL

A single flight a day drops *possible* revenue on 6 flights by $40.00

TZ
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:30 pm

Delta is not doing great and by Airtran adding SFO and probably other cities, this is going to bring the price down in markets now where Airtran will enter. Now it is Delta's turn to feel a little pressure in some markets. Hahahaha

This was kind of an interesting thread until I got to this post.

Don't worry, Delta isn't going anywhere. In fact, give 'em until the next schedule and you'll probably see a couple 767-400s swapped into SFO, alongside the one new flight. Throw in some some triple SkyMiles and then we'll see who's feeling the heat.

Southern California is a huge market; everybody is big there. But Delta has dominated Atlanta-Bay Area for ages and I don't expect them to let new entrants into the Bay Area without a body slam or two.

Recall that B6 will soon be down to I believe one daily ATL-LGB flight, and the jury still seems to be out on FL's service to LAX. It seems to me FL is pursuing a defensive strategy against B6 more than an offensive strategy against DL, and it's possible that in the process, not only will they have to compete with FL, but with DL, which has the resources to defend its traditional bread and butter ATL-California markets. It's unrealistic to expect Delta to be able to drive low cost carriers out of the Atlanta to Southern California and Bay Area markets, but Delta should be able to contain them at a level acceptable for the size of the respective markets.

I think the next real dogfight between DL and FL will be DCA. Wtih FL coming in, I bet Delta moves to primarily 738s and 757s to DCA before too long.

Not trying to start a flame war, but I know I'll get flamed anyway. So have at it...
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:18 pm

Does UAL still fly the ATL-SFO route once a day leaving ATL early in the morning?
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:08 pm

DeltaSFO,

Yes...we do hope Delta swaps some 767-400s, adds flights, dumps seats, lowers their fares...whatever they feel they need to "protect their market share". Do what they've been doing. FOLLOWING the LCCs. Reacting to what other companies do instead of making their own plan and sticking with it.

Yes...let them keep this up. All it does is cost them millions and millions of dollars.

As to your remark about FL's "defensive strategy". Nothing could be further from the truth. These 4 cities (LAX, LAS, SFO, and the next one you will see announced--PHX) have all been part of the original plan, hence the agreement with the AirTran pilots to allow Ryan to operate flights into these four markets. Hardly a "defensive" move.

You are also right about DCA. Once again, Delta will "react" to FL's move, instead of having a plan of their own. We love it. We set the markets, we set the price, Delta reacts, dumps seats, lowers prices, loses more money. AirTran will take that "business plan" of Delta's to the bank every day.

One final question. How long do you think Delta can continue to use it's "resources" defending it's routes? They may have the resources, but this strategy will eventually bleed them to levels unacceptable to the board of directors and the shareholders. Maybe, if they just keep on "defending" their routes, they will wind up defending much more than their bread and butter routes.

I think AirTran and jetBlue have their business plans set, with aircraft acquisitions and routes already currently planned for these aircraft. These plans are not in response to anything Delta (or any other airline, for that matter) does, and will not change in response to anything they do. Unfortunately, Delta cannot say the same thing. It seems EVERYTHING that they (and Song) do is in direct response to the actions of some Low Cost Carrier. Not a very solid plan, if you ask me.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 12:03 am

Although I hate to see this turn into a DL vs. FL thread, I must state that by Delta's own admission, they've become the reactionary carrier.

From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:

Vicki Escarra, chief marketing officer and executive vice president at Delta Air Lines, told employees at a meeting late last week in Dallas that the airline is considering several changes affecting top customers, according to a report in The Dallas Morning News.

One reason, she said, is that Delta has become the underdogs in its battle with discounters such as AirTran and JetBlue, according to the newspaper's account.

The proportion of Delta's Atlanta customers who fly only Delta has dropped to 55 percent from 75 percent, Escarra told the employees, according to the Morning News.

She showed a video of AirTran Chief Executive Officer Joe Leonard disparaging the "indifferent" service at bigger carriers. "I hope that makes you angry," Escarra told the Delta workers. "We're not indifferent." She added that she throws darts at a small picture of Leonard in her office.


She throws a dart at a picture of Leonard? Now that's a professional statement from the Exec Vice Pres of the world's third largest airline....

Seriously though, I think Delta is a great and proud carrier, HOWEVER, after eight years at AirTran it is so rewarding to see the "Holier Than Thou" attitude humbled.

Travis
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 1:17 am

One thing to think about is the difference in attitude between the two. Delta is an old, established airline. AirTrans is relatively new. In this case, one sees a fresh, clean, and eager company trying to serve the traveling public. The older carrier has shown indifference, "holier than thou" attitude, and a stale product. Maybe these new carriers like JetBlue and AirTrans will inject the dinosaurs with a fresh outlook. Granted, the LCC's are bare-bones and some people like full service, but bottom line with most passengers is the dollars and cents of travel. The near future of U.S. aviation should be a very interesting time - we can all watch it play out and maybe learn some lessons in entreprenurial skills!
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 3:06 am

She throws a dart at a picture of Leonard? Now that's a professional statement from the Exec Vice Pres of the world's third largest airline....
Seriously though, I think Delta is a great and proud carrier, HOWEVER, after eight years at AirTran it is so rewarding to see the "Holier Than Thou" attitude humbled. Travis


Nothing like the resentments of a sore loser. Delta capacity-dumped FL and B6 intensely in the LA Basin--ATL markets all summer and hasn't driven them out. B6 apparently had lots of OAK people connecting to ATL through LGB, so they scheduled nonstop OAK-ATL and redeployed some of their LGB slots. Smart move.

DL will certainly capacity-dump, and possibly predatory-price, AirTran at SFO with similar results. DOJ ought to keep an eye on things anyway; Delta has vastly deeper pockets than FL, and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. But FL has been holding its own against DL, good for them. Remember the short-lived MD-88's to CAK?

Due to the density of the ATL market, the most likely outcome is that both carriers establish their own strengths and prosper there with right-sized capacity anyway. DL will be smaller in five years, FL bigger, but they'll both match capacity to demand.

Jim
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 4:44 am

I am sure Air Tran will do very well out of SFO. It will be a complement to ATA's MDW service not competition.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:43 am

I'm not necessarily a big AirTran fan (no offense to my colleagues who work there), but the big loser here will be Delta.

Yes, they are not going to sit idly by why the LCCs invade their territory. They will react the only way they know how...by adding capacity to the point where no one makes money in it.

The problem with this philosophy is that AirTran, and even JetBlue, can afford this. Delta cannot. What was once a money-making route is now a loser. Sure.. there will be perks for flying Delta like SkyMiles, etc, etc, but it will be extremely difficult for Delta to make money trying to attact AirTran passengers by matching AirTran prices. It will cost them millions of dollars. We'll see the proof when Delta's next few quarters all show staggering losses! One year ago, Delta pretty much had ATL to LA and SF all to itself. It handled this by charging whatever prices it could get away with. Back to 2003: it has to match LLCs on price (and service) - in other words, these are two more routes that are no longer profitable to Delta, compounded by flying ridiculous amounts of capacity making it REALLY unprofitable.

OK, I do not have all the answers. If I was Delta, I wouldn't know what to do either. Perhaps throw a Song flight or two to SFO.
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:30 am

Perhaps throw a Song flight or two to SFO.

They will probably pull 3 or 4 mainline flights, and replace them with 5 or 6 song flights.

When was the last time DL posted a profitable quarter?
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:44 am

The walk up fare on Delta ATL-SFO is currently $2339 RT ($2539 for First Class). AirTran has already established that their walk up fare on the route will be $498 RT ($598 for Business Class). Pretty much Delta has had the license to print money on its' ATL-West Coast flights; AirTran and JetBlue have begun to revoke that license. JetBlue is not the one Delta should be worried about; once AirTran gets enough 737s on their ramp, it's war.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:52 am

Delta was profitable last quarter, after the government reimbursement. Its a good start, but I think to keep it up, they will have to re-negotiate with their pilots.
 
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:50 am

I thought It was pretty pathetic how AirTran was using Ryan to do their West coast routes. I hope this time it is actually AirTran and not some other airline. sorry, I like major carriers better than these little guys
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:35 am

Little guys???? I think in about 2 years Airtran WILL be a MAJOR airline! TAKE THAT!  Angry
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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:48 am

Thank you litle tommy, your imput has been benificial to this discussion.

Now,

I don't like a DAL vs. FL debate either. I don't think FL even consideres DAL or anyone else when making marketing decisions. It makes common sense for FL to start more East-West flying especially in the 3rd quarter when our leisure markets from the Northeast to Florida start to cool off. This is a business decision to balance out AirTran's balance sheet that typically has one quarter of profitability carrying the airline for the whole year. Bringing in some East-West revenue makes good fiscal sense. I think DAL and FL offer different products to passangers and can coexist in ATL in the future. The current economic situation will turn around and DAL and the other legacy carriers will once again return to profitibility offering business travelers the flexible schedules while AirTran and others cater to more of the leisure market and frugal business customer who wants an affordable business class seat.

Airtran will probably never be connecting Los Angeles passangers to Dothan, Alabama, a city only DAL can provide service to. Airtran will not be connecting LAX passangers to AMS either. There is a place for DAL and CAL and NWA along with the discount carriers. I think these 3 carriers will be around for the long haul serving laung haul routes worldwidea and connecting the small cities to the rest of the world. Airtran and Jetblue and ATA alongside SWA will provide air service from one city to another in the America's and select Carribean islands.

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RE: AirTran Annouces San Francisco!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:57 am

Sorry, I was wrong. AirTran has done a great job so far. They have done something that a few airlines are doing, and you know what its making money. That's good! Sorry if I was a harsh. my apologies
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Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos