mozart
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Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:36 am

Which airlines had services going once around the globe? Where did they stop? WHich aircraft did they use? Pax or cargo (if cargos produce these schedules).

I know there was the UA1/UA2 going IAD-LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD, and there also was a PAN AM flight going round, and one by China Airlines (Taiwan) in the 90s, but which else?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:38 am

I have an old 1950's TWA poster that shows a Constellation and routemaps around the globe via Europe and North Africa, and some asian destinations.

So I assume TWA used to fly around the globe with Constellations in the 1950s.  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:40 am

Sounds cool. Which cities did they stop at?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:52 am

TWA had round the world service in the early 1970s. They agreed to discontinue it in broad agreements on competition with Pan Am during the first fuel crisis, which was officially allowed by the US government, even though it was an anti-trust violation.

Pan Am had round the world flights, as did BA. UA started round the world flights after buying Pan Am's pacific route structure.

If I recall correctly, the round the world flights went in both directions.

TWA never had round the world service with Connies.
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 6:14 am

BA??? That's surprising! Which cities? Which aircraft? Ealry 747s?

BTW, does anyone know that website which has an archive of old airline timetables? I forgot the link
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 6:37 am

If I remember right, TW was some kind of ORY/ATH/TLV/?/BOM/BKK/HKG etc as I see it with B707, while PA was JFK/LON/FRA/IST/THR/DEL and/or KHI/BKK/HKG/TYO/HNL/SFO/JFK and v.v
Ther was also my favorite AF with ORY/ANC/TYO/PPT/LIM/MAO/CAY/ORY with 707's, plus in the seventies a hidden round the world 741 with acft flying CDG/AUH/BOM/BKK/MNL/TYO/ANC/CDG , changing flt nr in TYO. This was operated both ways.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:13 am

Qantas began regularly scheduled round-the-world services on 14 January 1958 with Super Constellations. The route was Sydney - Fiji - Honolulu - San Francisco - New York - London. The reverse route went Sydney - Jakarta - Singapore - Bangkok - Calcutta - Karachi - Bahrain - Athens - Rome - London. It cost 575 pounds (AUD 1150), and you could pay 10 per cent deposit, fly, and then have two years to pay off the fare.
The San-Francisco - New York - London legs were eventually dropped, and Los Angeles replaced San Francisco. New York was recently reinstated, but there is still no USA - London sector.
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:34 am

Depends what you mean by round-the-world. If you mean a flight that took off from some airport and flew all the way around (with no change of aircraft) back to its origin, there have only been a few airlines, for a short time each. Pan Am's piston-engine RTW flights always involved a change of aircraft. And TWA only lasted for a maybe a year, if they did it at all. BA and TW were both around 1969? Don't think Qantas ever did.

When did China fly transatlantic?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:05 am

Didn't JL have an ATW route?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:34 am

TW operated RTW for a bit... but it was only same aircraft for a bit.

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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 3:29 pm

Does UA still operate around the world? And do they still go to India? Anyone.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 3:55 pm

BA used to have connecting service round the world up to the mid-80's, but I'm not sure it counts.

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BA?? JNB-SEZ-CMB-HKG-NRT
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 3:58 pm

I know the BA route was LHR/IDL/SFO/HNL/TYO, then various routes through S.E. Asia, India, the Middle East, Europe, terminating in LHR. Speedbird also ran the opposite direction. UA was a plane change HKG from a 744 LAX/HKG to a 767 HKG/DEL and east. Again, both directions. PA's RTW was generally SFO/HNL/TYO then various routes like BA through Europe back to IDL, later JFK. QF did indeed fly RTW with Connies. Years ago, an aunt and uncle of mine flew QF SFO/IDL/LHR on a Connie. Would anyone consider NZ to be a RTW carrier?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 4:16 pm

Singapore Airlines Cargo has got a few RTW routes. Don't know correct routing, but is something like sin-anc-ord-bru-bom-sin
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 5:07 pm

Qantas certainly did, and advertised it as a round-the-world service "without changing planes". For the inaugural flight, two Super Conmstellations took off on January 14, one heading west, and one heading west. They both returned on January 20.
The service continued for some time, but I don't fancy the idea of six days straight, even on a Connie. However, there were plenty of stopover opportunities!
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:25 am

We can't fly it but 5X does have around the world flights. They start and end in PHL and go to CGN, through DXB, over to Asia, to ANC and back to PHL. Same flight #, same aircraft.

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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:37 am

Lufthansa Cargo has some RTW flight with MD11F. Don't now the routing but it's Europe - Asia - North America - Europe
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:49 am

UTA did too......CDG-BAH/MCT-SIN-SYD/AKL-NOU-PPT-SFO-CDG

UTAFlying High should be able to give more details.

They did also have crew & aircraft based in PPT & NOU mainly to serve the Japanese market from the Pacific islands.
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:12 am

Aeroflot used to do:

Moscow-Bangkok-Singapore (A310/777/Il-96)

Singapore-Bangkok-Khabarovsk (Il-62)

Khabarovsk-Anchorage-Seattle-San Francisco (Il-62) Note this routing varied.

San Francisco-Seattle-Moscow (Il-96)

Up until 1998 it was possible to do the whole lot with Russian aircraft.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:50 am

Didn't Air France have RTW flights routed via Los Angeles and Tahiti at one point?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:18 am

As far as I know, AF did and still does CDG-LAX-PPT, but then does not go around the world. Their flights to NOU are through NRT (today involving a plane change at NRT, the NRT-NOU leg operated by Aircalin A 330). But no link PPT-NOU on AF. That was UTA as stated above
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:15 am

Air New Zealand ?

At any chance ?

 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:09 am

Im pretty sure JAL used to have around the world flight long long time ago with DC-8s. It went something like this.

HND-HNL-SFO-JFK-Europe (LHR, AMS or CDG) then 2 stops in the Middle East - India- HKG - HND.

I wish I could be more specific.

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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:00 am

Yeah, we forgot about Japan Air-- they definitely had a RTW route, but don't recall whether you could fly all the way around on one aircraft.

The 2/58 OAG shows Qantas flights to London:

via San Francisco arr Heathrow 1530 Mon and Thur
via Asia arr Heathrow 1430 Sunday, 1815 Tue, 1830 Wed (tourist only), 1645 Thur and 1530 Fri.

Departures from London:

via SFO lv 1100 Tue and Fri
via Asia lv 2200 Tue thru Sat; the Thu departure was tourist only.

The transpacific aircraft had a few berths; no mention of them on the India route. So you can see why I assume Qantas flights always turned at London.

In the 3/61 OAG, Qantas 707s arrived LHR from Asia 1500 MoWeFr and departed eastward 1530 TuThSa. They arrived LHR 2115 SuTh from IDL and departed westward 1100 MoFr. (Qantas also had one Comet a week to/from Singapore.)

I'm guessing Air France never flew RTW-without-change, but they did have a RTW route network in 1974, if nowhen else: via Tokyo, Tahiti and Lima!
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:17 am

Having read the above, my feelings still are that BA (BOAC) had the only Around the World Services which actually went all around starting at LHR and finishing at LHR. Three 707 flights a week in each direction. Routing as mentioned LHR JFK SFO HNL TYO HKG then varied through the Middle East calling at some of the following, BKK RGN DEL KHI THR BEY FCO ZHR FRA.

Similar routings were made the other way, with the final sector being the 10h00 Monarch Service from JFK to LHR, which in the summer was a wonderful daylight flight all the way. Fabulous!

PA's so called RTW flight started on the West Coast, around the world to the East Coast, ignoring the continent of North America. The same happened in the reverse direction! Hardly a real RTW!

Not sure about the other carriers and their activities, but can confirm that BA did operate as I spent a great three years, from 1964-66, operating as First Class Steward on all the above routes. Each trip was three weeks away, and fun every minute! I just loved carving the steaming Sirloin Beef on the Trolley!



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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:21 am

Ba did and still doe son their website

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RE: Which Airlines Had RTW Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:26 am

As I recall PA finally did have a true RTW circa 1975, for maybe a year-- but I'll check.

TW's 7/69 timetable shows an RTW 707 eastward-only from LAX, to start on 1 Aug; did they really do it?

BA doesn't go transpacific now, do they?

[Edited 2003-08-22 00:27:41]
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:36 am

No BA transpacific now, but after my 707s the VC10 did it for a while, but routing went something more south from HNL to NAN, AKL, SYD etc, instead of TYO and HKG.

As mentioned earlier, the VC10 also did an extension of the LHR JNB, up to SEZ CMB HKG TYO. The 707 polar routings to TYO via ANC finished when the 74s came in, from memory, after they had permission to fly over USSR.

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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:50 am

If we can believe the OAG PA did fly JFK to JFK both ways in 1975. Maybe the only RTW 747 (until United, maybe?).

No TWA all-the-way-round in 7/70 OAG.

In 1970 Japan Air flew daily Tokyo-JFK, continuing 4/week to LHR, continuing 2/week to Orly. I'm guessing the aircraft didn't continue eastward, but can't prove it.

According to
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/427482/6/

United did go all the way round.

[Edited 2003-08-22 02:00:49]
 
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RE: Which Services?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:09 am

We could go further and say a true RTW flight has no overnight stops. Probably BOAC's westbound flight via Tokyo-Hong Kong always had at least one overnight-- but I forgot to check the eastbound.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Had Round-the-globe Services?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:18 am

Does UA still operate around the world? And do they still go to India? Anyone.

Nope & they dont fly to India anymore either.

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