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7e7 Getting Closer To Reality?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 1:41 pm

Japanese primed for 7E7 launch
New Boeing widebody is frontrunner to replace 767s at ANA and JAL as manufacturer prepares for project decision

Flight International 08/19/03
author: Brendan Sobie

All Nippon Airways (ANA) and Japan Airlines (JAL) are expected to release tenders for Boeing 767 replacements at the end of this year in a contest to
be timed with the formal launch of the Boeing 7E7.

Airbus is preparing to respond with a proposal for Airbus A330-200s, but will be a heavy underdog. Japan is preparing to designate the 7E7 a national
project, which would result in government subsidies beginning in fiscal 2004 and would put pressure on ANA and JAL to sign as launch customers.

Japan's last national commercial aircraft project, the Boeing 777 from 1991, resulted in simultaneous orders from ANA and JAL. Boeing's Japanese
sales team has begun discussing the 7E7 with both carriers and is confident orders will be placed in early 2004, or two to four months after a request for
proposals is issued.

The airlines are waiting for the 7E7 programme to be launched before issuing requests for proposals on new mid-size widebodies. A Boeing board
decision on the 7E7 is expected at the end of this year, giving the company authority to begin selling the aircraft.


Kuwait Airways set to renew fleet
Airbus and Boeing vie for major order expected early next year to replace existing A300, A310 and A320 aircraft

Flight International 08/19/03
author: Maria Wagland

Kuwait Airways expects to finalise a major fleet-renewal deal early next year that has pitched Airbus against Boeing for the replacement of almost its
entire fleet. Included in the evaluation is Boeing's planned all-new widebody, the 7E7.

The carrier tells Flight International's sister online service Air Transport Intelligence that it is evaluating narrowbody and widebody types to replace its fleet
of three Airbus A320s, five A300-600Rs, three A310-300s and five A300-600Rs. The deal could be expanded to include the replacement of its six
larger, longer-range widebodies - four A340-300s and two Boeing 777-200ERs.

The A320 family is competing with the 737 for the narrowbody replacement, while the A330 is fighting the 7E7 in the 230- to 250-seat campaign. "A
decision will be made in early 2004. This is mainly due to the 7E7 development," says Shatha Al Qureshi, secretary to the committee handling the
fleet-renewal programme at the airline.
 
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RE: 7e7 Getting Closer To Reality?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:39 pm

This aircraft will generate a lot of interest as it should fit in well as a 757/767 replacement which is now overdue. Malaysia Airlines (now a govt. owned carrier again) is starting to shop again for new aircraft and if you look at its fleet - it severely lacks an aircraft of this size. MAS has leased 3 A332s in the interim to plug this shortfall but its markets are changing and their 737 fleet is now too small (in aircraft capacity term) for certain regional routes, whilst the 777 is still far too big.
 
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RE: 7e7 Getting Closer To Reality?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:46 pm

"Airbus is preparing to respond with a proposal for Airbus A330-200s, but will be a heavy underdog. Japan is preparing to designate the 7E7 a national
project, which would result in government subsidies beginning in fiscal 2004 and would put pressure on ANA and JAL to sign as launch customers."

Interesting statement..........

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RE: 7e7 Getting Closer To Reality?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:49 pm

Well, that certainly was a surprise  Big grin

But how is the Japanese government going to finance those subsidies? It's economy is already in the jingles (for a lack of a better word), yet they're still on what appears to me, as a spending spree.
 
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RE: 7e7 Getting Closer To Reality?

Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:40 pm

So the 7E7 will get subsidies, just like the 767, the 777 or the Airbusses. But I already see the typical guys crying in the next bash-airbus thread that Airbus is the only one getting government money. But I guess they don't want to know facts, living in a dream world is more comfortable.
 
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RE: 7e7 Getting Closer To Reality?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:49 am

Racko,

I think there is a good reason why the 7E7 project may get a US government subsidy: the possibility of very large USAF order.

We may see 7E7 derivatives sold to the USAF as KC-135 replacements, RC-135 SIGINT/ELINT platform replacements and possibly replacements for the E-3 Sentry. This could end up with nearly 400 airframes sold to the USAF alone.
 
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RE: 7e7 Getting Closer To Reality?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:53 am

So Japan provides subsidies in exchange for increased manufacturing know how. That's not really equal to Airbus. With Airbus you get an overall subsidy that prior to the 380 was never repaid except by BAe to the British Government and in full by all parties only on the A320. Neither Germany nor France nor Spain has ever complied with the US request to submit evidence of full repayment of government loans on the 330/340 programs. So with Airbus, every single major contributor to its aircraft program is subsidized vs. Japan on just a single component. To equate the two is , like Airbus's own attempts, nothing more than a lame attempt to point the finger at Boeing. Get it straight people, Airbus didn't pay taxes for 30 years. That, in and of itself, is probably the equivalent of $50B in today's dollars over the life of its existance. We should give exactly the same amount to Boeing over the next 30 years.
 
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RE: 7e7 Getting Closer To Reality?

Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:36 am

Isn't the USAF negotiating a deal with Boeing for the purchase of up to 100 767 tankers? That will be the KC-135 replacement. The 767-200 may not have a future anymore as a passenger airliner but it does have a future in the military, as a tanker and also as a surveillance aircraft (AWACS). The military 767 can be both a KC-135 and E-3A replacement. The KC-135 Stratotanker and the E-3A Sentry are both 707 derivatives.
No, I see the 7E7 as a future passenger 767 replacement. I think Boeing will first see how successful the 7E7 is in the airline business before even thinking of designing a military derivative, if that ever happens that won't be before the 2020's. The 767 has been in passenger service for 20 years and it's only now that Boeing talks about a military derivative for the Air Force.

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