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YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:17 am

Just heard the news on Radio-Canada. And guess which name it will get?

Pierre-Elliot Trudeau!

The man who expropriated thousands of people in Mirabel to build YMX, then refused to transfer all flights to YMX as it was supposed to be, creating a total mess in Montreal's airports, killing all chances for Montreal to become the hub it should be.

I can't believe it...
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:26 am

How ironic!

The former PM's vision of Montreal being the hub of Canada in return failed miserably and now he's getting an airport named after him? That's a good one.

So with Diefenbaker Airport in Saskatoon, Toronto Pearson International, we will now have Trudeau International? Doesn't quite flow does it? Hehe..
 
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:38 am

I think it's very appropriate. The city that benefited from the largest make-work airport project in the 1970's (YMX) SHOULD have its current airport named after the politician that directed the funding.

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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:42 am

Don't forget about Ottawa McDonald-Cartier International. I kinda wish YEG and YYC would do the same. As for YUL naming their airport after the worst Prime Minister in Canadian history, I don't know.
 
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:48 am

As for YUL naming their airport after the worst Prime Minister in Canadian history, I don't know.

Lubicon,

Haven't you heard of Brian Mulroney? Yes the Trudeau years were a mess, but if it wasn't for Mulroney, AC wouldn't have all those Airbuses....
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:00 am

Yyz717,

I think it's very appropriate.

I fully understand your POV. If I was from Toronto, I'd think exactly like you, as no other city in Canada has benefited more from the mess PET created in Montreal.
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:01 am

It makes sense, I suppose. I mean, they can't name a mountain after the man.... that idea has been nixed already  Big grin

As for YEG and YYC - or YVR for that matter - naming their airports after noteable people.... well, I don't know if they could really think of a local figure that would be that famous abroad. And you don't want YYC and YEG fighting over which city gets to name their airport "Lougheed International".... besides, YYC's "other" name is already McCall Field.... named for a famous early local aviator.
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:21 am

It's perspective really. From experience, you either love Trudeau or hate him. I think he was a great PM and welcome the name change.
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:58 am

Perhaps the airport will be known as PET, like JFK.

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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:08 am

Pretty much the canadian govt is trying to rub it in the faces of Quebeckers, most of whom are taught at a young age to hate this individual.

The government of Canada really did not act in the best interest of a united Canada today. They could have named a lot of other things PET, Dorval is one of them that should have stayed.

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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:21 am

The government of Canada really did not act in the best interest of a united Canada today.

I disagree. PET was the PM of Quebec first, Canada second. He is reviled in English Canada....indeed, English Canada ALWAYS voted PC as a majority when PET was running.

I think he was a great PM and welcome the name change.

Of course you do Jordan. You're a Quebecer and PET looked after Quebec first.

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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:22 am

Who's Jordan? Plus why do you seem to have this new hobby of telling me what and why I think?
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:25 am

Neil.

You are the last person to say what is in Quebec's best interest. Your the typical Anglo-Canadian who cant relate to the cultural differences that is Quebec. Instead you;d rather slam us... its ok ive heard it before.

PET looked after Canada as a whole, and I have tremendous respect for that. But Quebec is so fragile, it justs takes a thing like this to get the separatist mad again. Cant the CDN govt just let it go... they can name a monument downtown Montreal after him or something. For the sake of unity in the press and society in Quebec

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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:31 am

I don't think it will cause much of a problem. Separatism is dying, its been bleeding to death for years. Besides, they've been forcing name-changes themselves over the last few decades. Rene-Levesque Blvd (Formerly Dorchester) downtown for instance, yep there's name change that reflected unity in Canada for sure...

$5 says Lesage gets renamed Parizeau Intl soon to balance things out.....when they lose services they can at least blame it on ethnics and money  Big grin
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:31 am

*shrug*

If you think PET is reviled by Anglo-Canadians, you're wrong; many in Ontario and a few out west still think he was a great PM. It's in the west, and particularily Alberta, that the man was held in low regard. Despite that, even some of the most vehement anti-Trudeau westerners did pay him a lot of respect and did mourn his passing.
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:32 am

Justin then. I knew it was a 6-lettered J name.

it justs takes a thing like this to get the separatist mad again.

So what if they get mad? Do you think placating them is the right approach?

Cant the CDN govt just let it go.

I agree with you in a way.....naming airports after PM's is nonsensical. PET had nothing to do with aviation, nor did Pearson. Indeed, it was PET who named YYZ after Pearson.





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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:45 am

For those who didn't know, PET in French means fart...

I can see all the plays of word from here.

- Hey, weird smell. Must be that jet fuel.
- No, it's because your at the PET airport.

PET was the PM of Quebec first, Canada second.
I'm gonna puke  Nuts ...
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:46 am

If you think PET is reviled by Anglo-Canadians, you're wrong;

Make no mistake, PET is reviled in English Canada. But it's all relative....Mulroney is hated even more. PET never once achieved a plurality of seats in English Canada in the 4 or 5 elections in which he led the Liberals.

Anyway, naming YUL as PET is not such a bad thing. PET was from Montreal after all.

YMX arguably did not hurt the YUL area air traffic much...it's possible that YUL might be handling no more traffic today had YMX never opened in the first place. Long before YMX opened, YUL had fallen well behind all other Eastern gateways to North America. Everyone knew that YMX was nothing more than a massive make-work project for Quebec that went on to fail.
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:52 am

Yyz717,

Stop. You're only displaying, once again, your total ignorance about Quebec.

Take it as friendly advice.
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:11 am

Stop. You're only displaying, once again, your total ignorance about Quebec.

Stop? Because you disagree with me? Ummm....no.

It's quite possible I understand Quebec better than you. Many in English Canada do....


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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:16 am

"It's quite possible I understand Quebec better than you. Many in English Canada do...."

-And how do you figure this?

 
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:30 am

Ah crap........this just sickens me.....my hometown airport being renamed after the worst Canadian PM in history! Angry
 
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:29 am

YEG could easily be named after Max Ward or Wop May although Yellowknife may be a better choice for Max Ward.
 
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:31 am

Max might have something to say about that; he's not dead yet  Big grin
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:35 am

Don't they have more important things to do than re-naming the airport at all.
Imagine the inconvenience and cost of changing all the suddenly wrong documentation/business cards/street signs etc.

Not only does the Federal government choke the whole airline industry with obscene taxes (of which AC is the conduit for the lions share) but they have nothing better to do than waste time and money on this.

This assinine behavoir is so frustrating.
 
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:39 am

WEll what else is Collenette gonna do, but rant and rave over some high-speed train between Montreal and Toronto.

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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 6:13 am

Not only does the Federal government choke the whole airline industry with obscene taxes (of which AC is the conduit for the lions share) but they have nothing better to do than waste time and money on this.

This assinine behavoir is so frustrating.


Skywatcher... welcome to Canada!  Big grin

Oh, and the earlier comment about taking a train between YYC and YVR is moot; there is no train service between those two points. VIA only goes through Edmonton. Why? The same reason why the ATC control for all of Alberta is in Edmonton, and not the province's (by far) largest airport, in terms of traffic.

The point? It's all political.
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 6:16 am

Hmmmm, my vote still is tied for either Rene Simard or Ginette Reno International Airport.
 
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:11 am

Interesting topic.

Canada does have a nice number of airports named after political icons.
PET would be an appropriate name for Montreal's Dorval. For Mirabel, Don't do anything with that airport. Just call it "Waste of Taxpayers money International AIrport"

I think if YYC were to be renamed it should be like "Ralph Klein Internaional" or "Ken Borek International" or "Preston or Ernest Manning International"

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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:34 am

for all you nay-sayers it could be worse. Imagine changing Pearson to Mel Lastman International.... or Chretien International, hey the old guy might as well leave with a bang.
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:41 am

You can call it hog town int airport for all I care, as long as it works and gets me to where I am going to go, I could care less what the f-ck it is called.
 
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 12:32 pm

Well, being an American it might not be my place to say BUT: welcome to the BS of Politics! We now have Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, George Bush Houston Intercontinental Airport and John Wayne Airport. Three airports named after conservatives. Thank GOD for Louis Armstrong-New Orleans International Airport. At least MSY is named after someone who truly mattered!  Big grin
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:51 pm

Well I'm ok with it. He was a well known world Leader, dynamic and focused something few of our politicans have been since. I didn't agree with everything he did but I recognize that a tribute should be given to him. Airports are the logical places of honor national leaders.

According to local Montreal papers the name will stay with Montreal's Airport even if flights eventually return to Mirabel which in turn will become Pierre Elliot International Airport (appropriately so since he conecived it).. also PET will not replace YUL.

One thing is guaranteed for sure, this will create controversy in Quebec and apparantly by reading posts on this board across Canada... but also how appropriate.. now get over it LOL... Smile

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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:47 pm

According to local Montreal papers the name will stay with Montreal's Airport even if flights eventually return to Mirabel which in turn will become Pierre Elliot International Airport (appropriately so since he conecived it).. also PET will not replace YUL.


Caribb, I don't understand. You're stating that flights will return to YMX (?!), which will become PET(?!), and not YUL?!?
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:58 pm

Maybe to clarify Caribb's point: The name PET is now imposed to YUL. If ever YUL is shut down and flights transferred to YMX (an hypothesis that's around, in 20 years from now), then YMX would also bear the name PET.
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:03 am

To clarify Qb001's clarification of my post... The Airport code PET will never be used. YUL will always remain the airport code for Montreal. IF flights ever return to Mirabel (there was no mention of a "when" flights return to Mirabel) the name will be moved to Mirabel thereby implying that Montreal International Airport will always be namewd Pierre Trudeau International Airport regardless of where it is located. ie: it is fixed in stone until someother generation comes along a deems their values and opinions are superior to ours LOL.
 
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RE: YUL To Be Renamed

Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:44 am

I second Bo's motion for YYC. "Ralph Klein International", after all he was our Mayor before becoming Premier. Or how about "King Ralph International"?  Smile

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